- From: Joseph Scheuhammer <clown@alum.mit.edu>
- Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 14:10:17 -0400
- To: "wai-xtech@w3.org" <wai-xtech@w3.org>
Link: http://www.w3.org/2013/05/30-aapi-minutes.html
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
30 May 2013
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013May/0009.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2013/05/30-aapi-irc
Attendees
Present
Joseph_Scheuhammer, Cynthia_Shelly
Regrets
David_Bolter
Chair
Joseph_Scheuhammer
Scribe
clown
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]ACTION-1200
2. [6]ISSUE-550
3. [7]ACTION-1221
4. [8]ACTION-1222
5. [9]remaining issues
6. [10]551
7. [11]issue-550
8. [12]560
9. [13]issue-564
10. [14]issue-566
11. [15]issue-570
12. [16]issue-582
13. [17]583
14. [18]issue-584
* [19]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 30 May 2013
<scribe> scribenick: clown
previous: [20]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-aapi-minutes.html
[20] http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-aapi-minutes.html
ACTION-1200
action-1200?
<trackbot> ACTION-1200 -- Cynthia Shelly to create table for
author errors in UAIG, with columns for each API. -- due
2013-05-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[21]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1200
[21] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1200
CS: Haven't done it, but on my to-do list.
JS: let's change the due date.
CS: let's set it to two weeks from now.
ISSUE-550
issue-550?
<trackbot> ISSUE-550 -- Come up with a date to stop editing
UAIG in preparation for the next Last Call Draft -- closed
<trackbot> [22]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/550
[22] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/550
JS: I have closed this one.
ACTION-1221
action-1221?
<trackbot> ACTION-1221 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to for ISSUE-559,
remove the text near the end of the section about ATK/AT-SPI
about aria-atomic and member-of, and point to the
aria-atomic='true' entry in the mapping table. -- due
2013-05-16 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[23]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1221
[23] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1221
JS: I have discussed with David.
... the best approach, we think, is to remove text from the
AT-SPI section.
... I will do that soon.
ACTION-1222
ACTION-1222?
<trackbot> ACTION-1222 -- David Bolter to look into ISSUE-583,
and think about section 4.3, step 4A to see if that answers the
question. -- due 2013-05-16 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[24]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1222
[24] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1222
JS: David action, but he is not here.
remaining issues
[25]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
[25] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
<scribe> agenda:
[26]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013May/0009.
html
[26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013May/0009.html
issue-486?
<trackbot> ISSUE-486 -- UAIG has some MUST requirements that
could only be tested in HTML 5, but 1) the ARIA spec is being
tested only against HTML 4 and we prefer to do the same with
UAIG, and 2) HTML 5 isn't complete; so we need to deal with
this in the UAIG CR exit criteria n -- open
<trackbot> [27]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/486
[27] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/486
JS: text about mapping conflicts wrt html5 with some MUST
statements. These may have already been tested.
CS: Yes, we are testing in modern browsers.
... not sure this is an issue any more.
JS: the tabindex information is now part of html5, so it may
not even need to be there.
CS: may be problematic to remove now.
action-1136?
<trackbot> ACTION-1136 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to ask the PFWG on
the Mon call, what issue-486 is all about. -- due 2012-12-20 --
CLOSED
<trackbot>
[28]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1136
[28] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1136
[29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013May/0009.
html
[29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013May/0009.html
[30]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_addit
ional_nd_te
[30] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_additional_nd_te
CS: can you check with Steve Faulkner?
... what is the status of the html5 section 4.8.1.1?
... he had written a separate document, and there is an issue
if it belongs in the HTML5 spec, a separate document, owned by
wcag, or something else.
JS: are you referring to the editorial note?
CS: yes, but also the box above since it references the section
in the HTML5 spec (4.8.1.1) that the editorial note is talking
about.
action-1142?
<trackbot> ACTION-1142 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to remove
reference to HTML5 @alt section in the UAIG name calculation
section. -- due 2013-02-01 -- CLOSED
<trackbot>
[31]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1142
[31] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1142
551
issue-551?
<trackbot> ISSUE-551 -- When UAIG enters CR, we need to ask
Director if we have to have 2 mappings to all platforms, or
just demonstrate implementability of mapping via a sample and
say all the mappings are therefore defined implementable --
open
<trackbot> [32]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/551
[32] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/551
CS: I think this is actually closed in that Michael asked Judy.
... can you ask him on Mon?
JS: yes.
action-1152?
<trackbot> ACTION-1152 -- Cynthia Shelly to investigate whether
a pure UIA implementation does not have a description field --
due 2013-01-28 -- CLOSED
<trackbot>
[33]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1152
[33] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1152
JS: that one is closedd.
issue-550
issue-550?
<trackbot> ISSUE-550 -- Come up with a date to stop editing
UAIG in preparation for the next Last Call Draft -- closed
<trackbot> [34]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/550
[34] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/550
JS: whoops, that should be 560
560
issue-560?
<trackbot> ISSUE-560 -- MSAA/IA2 spec. inconsistent with
implementation in FF on aria-activedescendant -- open
<trackbot> [35]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/560
[35] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/560
JS: that's a David issue, and he's not here.
JS next is another FF question, skip it (issue-563).
issue-564
issue-564?
<trackbot> ISSUE-564 -- ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT is not used
role="heading" -- open
<trackbot> [36]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/564
[36] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/564
CS: this is a case where FF is putting in strings where they
should only put in enumerated types.
JS: yes, david has another related issue, and this is going
away.
... it's action-1175
action-1175?
<trackbot> ACTION-1175 -- David Bolter to status of
ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT in MSAA/IA2 column for role=heading -- due
2013-03-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[37]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1175
[37] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1175
JS: linking action 1175 to the issue to keep track of the work.
issue-566
issue-566?
<trackbot> ISSUE-566 -- Inconsistency between Spec's required
states/properties for certain roles and UAIG's error handling
of those roles/states/properties -- open
<trackbot> [38]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/566
[38] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/566
JS: your table for action-1200 will fix this.
... and that action already associated with the issue.
... there is an action on James Craig to change the spec for
some of these,
CS: Check with him about that on the mon call.
JS: yes, good idea.
issue-570
issue-570?
<trackbot> ISSUE-570 -- Investigate if this UAIG requirement is
incompatible with AX API. #keyboard-focus_aria-activedescendant
"Do not expose the focused state in the accessibility API for
any element when it has DOM focus and also has
aria-activedescendant which points to a va -- open
<trackbot> [39]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/570
[39] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/570
JS: looks like an AXApi issue.
CS: talk to James about this on Mon.
... our position is to close this. Do not want to open this can
of worms again.
... postpone to aria 2.0, perhaps.
issue-582
issue-582?
<trackbot> ISSUE-582 -- We don't have an explicit mapping, for
each platform, for the focusable state in the UAIG -- open
<trackbot> [40]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/582
[40] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/582
[41]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#focus_state_e
vent_table
[41] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#focus_state_event_table
JS: James Craig suggested this is what rich was looking for.
CS: works for me.
JS: so, I'll point this out on Mon to, and see if we can close
it.
583
Issue-583?
<trackbot> ISSUE-583 -- Elements that are descendants of an
element having aria-activedescendant should not all be
focusable -- open
<trackbot> [42]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/583
[42] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/583
JS: David had a suggestion — his action-1222
action-1222?
<trackbot> ACTION-1222 -- David Bolter to look into ISSUE-583,
and think about section 4.3, step 4A to see if that answers the
question. -- due 2013-05-16 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[43]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1222
[43] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1222
CS: I think we should postpone this.
JS: Aria 1.1 or 2.0?
CS: 2.0. I could accept 1.1., but I think we should push this
out to 2.0 since how OSes handle focus is revved much slower.
... the core issue is that all issue should be postponed to 2.0
unless there is a real good reason to change things at this
stage.
... the bar is very high now.
issue-584
issue-584?
<trackbot> ISSUE-584 -- Firefox has introduce a role mapping of
grouping for rowgroup (should this be consistent across
platforms) -- open
<trackbot> [44]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/584
[44] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/584
CS: we shouldn't make the change, since this is testing
implementabiity, and I think these tests have passed in older
browsers.
JS: notes that this doesn't affect the UIA implementations.
Nor, probably, the Ax API implementation.
CS: so, I vote for aria 1.1.
Summary of Action Items
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