- From: Joseph Scheuhammer <clown@alum.mit.edu>
- Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 14:20:35 -0400
- To: "wai-xtech@w3.org" <wai-xtech@w3.org>
Link: http://www.w3.org/2013/05/09-aapi-minutes.html
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
09 May 2013
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013May/0001.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2013/05/09-aapi-irc
Attendees
Present
David_Bolter, Cynthia_Shelly, Joseph_Scheuhammer
Regrets
Chair
Joseph_Scheuhammer
Scribe
clown
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]ACTION-1200
2. [6]action-851
3. [7]Issue-550
4. [8]outstanding issues and actions.
* [9]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 09 May 2013
<scribe> scribenick: clown
ACTION-1200
action-1200?
<trackbot> ACTION-1200 -- Cynthia Shelly to create table for
author errors in UAIG, with columns for each API. -- due
2013-05-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[10]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1200
[10] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1200
JS: <outlines the action>
CS: I will put that on my list to do this week.
... I will send some html to you because I have no access to
the document.
JS: that will be fine.
action-851
action-851?
<trackbot> ACTION-851 -- Cynthia Shelly to look through APG
design patterns re: menus for examples that relate to UAIG
5.8.4 -- due 2013-02-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[11]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/851
[11] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/851
CS: I remember this as being as closed at the f2f.
... that we were just not going to add the examples, and punt
it.
... let me find the f2f minutes.
<cyns> [12]https://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-pf-minutes.html
[12] https://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-pf-minutes.html
CS: we decided to just make it a SHOULD.
JS: that means no tests are required for CR testing.
... I'll make a note in the action item, and add the SHOULD if
need be. Then I'll close the action.
<davidb>
[13]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_event
s_menus
[13] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_menus
DB: I agree.
Issue-550
issue-550?
<trackbot> ISSUE-550 -- Come up with a date to stop editing
UAIG in preparation for the next Last Call Draft -- open
<trackbot> [14]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/550
[14] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/550
JS: only things remaining are the menu events, which we just
discussed and this bugzilla:
[15]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19772#c5
[15] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19772#c5
CS: it says I can close the bug. I will.
JS: and I will add back in the text.
... once I fix the menu event section and the
expanded-on-combobox action, 550 will be done.
outstanding issues and actions.
[16]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
[16] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
issue-552?
<trackbot> ISSUE-552 -- UAIG spec. is inaccurate wrt selection
events pertaining to aria-selected being applied (MSAA/IA2) --
open
<trackbot> [17]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/552
[17] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/552
JS: here is more info from Rich:
[18]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2013JanMar/
0083.html
[18] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2013JanMar/0083.html
[19]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_event
s_selection
[19] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_selection
DB: this is the kind of thing I would rather do outside the
meeting.
... could I have an action?
<scribe> ACTION: David to look into ISSUE-552 and report back
on how to deal with it. [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/09-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1220 - Look into ISSUE-552 and report
back on how to deal with it. [on David Bolter - due
2013-05-16].
action-1220?
<trackbot> ACTION-1220 -- David Bolter to look into ISSUE-552
and report back on how to deal with it. -- due 2013-05-16 --
OPEN
<trackbot>
[21]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1220
[21] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1220
issue-559?
<trackbot> ISSUE-559 -- Missing member of relationships -- open
<trackbot> [22]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/559
[22] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/559
DB: it's in the table for aria-atomic.
... but, in section 5.8.2, it only talks about ATK/AT-SPI
JS: and, it's a SHOULD in 5.8.2, but the table is a MUST.
DB: that's inconsistent. We should simply refer back to
aria-atomic from section 5.8.3 and remove the SHOULD text.
JS: I agree.
<scribe> ACTION: Joseph for ISSUE-559, remove the text near the
end of the section about ATK/AT-SPI about aria-atomic and
member-of, and point to the aria-atomic='true' entry in the
mapping table. [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/09-aapi-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1221 - For ISSUE-559, remove the text
near the end of the section about ATK/AT-SPI about aria-atomic
and member-of, and point to the aria-atomic='true' entry in the
mapping table. [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2013-05-16].
action-1221?
<trackbot> ACTION-1221 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to for ISSUE-559,
remove the text near the end of the section about ATK/AT-SPI
about aria-atomic and member-of, and point to the
aria-atomic='true' entry in the mapping table. -- due
2013-05-16 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[24]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1221
[24] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1221
issue-560?
<trackbot> ISSUE-560 -- MSAA/IA2 spec. inconsistent with
implementation in FF on aria-activedescendant -- open
<trackbot> [25]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/560
[25] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/560
issue-586?
<trackbot> ISSUE-586 does not exist.
issue-583?
<trackbot> ISSUE-583 -- Elements that are descendants of an
element having aria-activedescendant should not all be
focusable -- open
<trackbot> [26]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/583
[26] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/583
[27]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit?testsu
ite_id=1&testcase_id=190
[27] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=190
[28]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite
_id=1&testcase_id=190
[28] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=190
JS: Looks like time has fixed the issue. Rich passed the test
on April 4.
resolved: close ISSUE-560 since the test case passes under
MSAA+IA2.
DB: what about issue 583?
JS: Rich has pointed out that some descendants are not for
interaction, and should not be focusable.
... he has suggested to add a constraint that the descendant
must have an ID attribute.
DB: that's not robust.
JS: I agree.
<davidb>
[29]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#keyboard-focu
s_aria-activedescendant
[29] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#keyboard-focus_aria-activedescendant
DB: look at 4 A: the aa at least requires a role.
... but unclear what the latter part of the statement about
HTML elements.
... I think it also means that any descendant that has an ID
and a role, or is a focusable HTML element (input, anchor, tab
ndex), qualifies as focus-able.
<scribe> ACTION: David to look into ISSUE-583, and think about
section 4.3, step 4A to see if that answers the question.
[recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/09-aapi-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1222 - Look into ISSUE-583, and think
about section 4.3, step 4A to see if that answers the question.
[on David Bolter - due 2013-05-16].
action-1222?
<trackbot> ACTION-1222 -- David Bolter to look into ISSUE-583,
and think about section 4.3, step 4A to see if that answers the
question. -- due 2013-05-16 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[31]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1222
[31] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1222
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: David to look into ISSUE-552 and report back on
how to deal with it. [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/09-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: David to look into ISSUE-583, and think about
section 4.3, step 4A to see if that answers the question.
[recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/09-aapi-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Joseph for ISSUE-559, remove the text near the
end of the section about ATK/AT-SPI about aria-atomic and
member-of, and point to the aria-atomic='true' entry in the
mapping table. [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/09-aapi-minutes.html#action02]
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