- From: Joseph Scheuhammer <clown@alum.mit.edu>
- Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 14:13:21 -0400
- To: "wai-xtech@w3.org" <wai-xtech@w3.org>
Link: http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-aapi-minutes.html Plain text version follows: [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference 13 Jun 2013 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Jun/0000.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-aapi-irc Attendees Present Joseph_Scheuhammer, David_Bolter, Cynthia_Shelly Regrets Chair Joseph_Scheuhammer Scribe clown Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]Last call for UAIG 2. [6]bug 19772. 3. [7]ACTION-1200 4. [8]Last call for UAIG. * [9]Summary of Action Items __________________________________________________________ <trackbot> Date: 13 June 2013 <scribe> scribenick: clown <scribe> Chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer Last call for UAIG CS: can we go to last call by next week? ... picking a realistic date and stickly with it. ... do either of you think next week is feasible DB: not really JS: no, because I can't make all the edits that we know about by then. CS: there is a bunch of work items, and then a number of issues and actions. ... we can go thru them and say "no" (as the default action). JS: I have been bringing up some of the issues at the mon calls, and it's slow going to get consenus on them, one way or another. CS: the default answer is "no". JS: If the default is no, then the due date and/or version needs to change. ... either they are 1.1 or 2.0 issues and are due at some later date. CS: we could switch them to 1.1 or 2.0, and say can you live with that? JS: a danger is the public gets to comment on last call. ... are these issues going to come back from the public comments? CS: they might, but we could still say this is for the next version. JS: David, here is the URL to outstanding issues and actions: [10]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10 ... what do you think about Cynthia's suggestion. [10] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10 DB: we could probably do that for a lot of them, but not sure about all of them. bug 19772. [11]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19772 [11] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19772 JS: Cynthia, can we close this? [12]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_role_ table [12] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_role_table JS: for UIA express, I put back: "If [13]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/states_and_properties#aria-ex pandedhttp://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/states_and_properties#aria- expanded is not "true", expose STATE_SYSTEM_COLLAPSED" [13] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/states_and_properties#aria-expandedhttp://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/states_and_properties CS: let me close the bug, or you could. JS: closing… nope. can't find my password. CS: I'll close it. "resolved/fixed". ACTION-1200 action-1200? <trackbot> ACTION-1200 -- Cynthia Shelly to create table for author errors in UAIG, with columns for each API. -- due 2013-06-13 -- OPEN <trackbot> [14]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1200 [14] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1200 CS: I might have to work on it on the weekend. JS: that's fine. ... If it helps, I can make the table, if you can give me the contents. Last call for UAIG. [15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Jun/0000. html [15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Jun/0000.html JS: David, you have some actions/issues to deal with before last call. ... we don't have to do them now, but could you look at them and get back to me by email? DB: I'll put them in my to-do list. JS: So, let's look at the overall issue/action list. [16]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10 [16] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10 issue-486? <trackbot> ISSUE-486 -- UAIG has some MUST requirements that could only be tested in HTML 5, but 1) the ARIA spec is being tested only against HTML 4 and we prefer to do the same with UAIG, and 2) HTML 5 isn't complete; so we need to deal with this in the UAIG CR exit criteria n -- open <trackbot> [17]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/486 [17] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/486 JS: the only thing that is outstanding, I think, is the mapping conflict between html5 native semantics and aria semantics. CS: the text was a negotiated selttelement. ... I don't think we should remove it. ... but see what Michael says. [18]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_confl icts [18] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_conflicts CS: If Michael thinks we can safely remove it, then we can do that. Or make and run the tests. JS: I think Michael wants to make the tests. DB: I think we sort of have to do more tests. issue-551? <trackbot> ISSUE-551 -- When UAIG enters CR, we need to ask Director if we have to have 2 mappings to all platforms, or just demonstrate implementability of mapping via a sample and say all the mappings are therefore defined implementable -- open <trackbot> [19]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/551 [19] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/551 CS: michael action item. JS: doesn't change the UAIG CS: It might. we might have to merge the UIA and UIA express column. ... we need to wait on the director's response here. ... and, that would not happen until July, then. issue-552? <trackbot> ISSUE-552 -- UAIG spec. is inaccurate wrt selection events pertaining to aria-selected being applied (MSAA/IA2) -- open <trackbot> [20]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/552 [20] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/552 JS: for more information, the issue points to this email: [21]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2013JanMar/ 0083.html [21] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2013JanMar/0083.html [22]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_event s_selection [22] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_selection JS: the add and remove events happen in a multiselectable scenario, according to the UAIG. ... Rich references this test case: [23]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit?testsu ite_id=1&testcase_id=672 ... here is the test file: [24]https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pfwg/raw-file/default/ARIA/1.0/tests /test-files/selected-state/672.html ... it's a list box with one option in it. ... aria-multiselectable (or whatever it's called) is not specified. [23] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=672 [24] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pfwg/raw-file/default/ARIA/1.0/tests/test-files/selected-state/672.html DB: I wonder what's default for a list box? JS: default for aria-multislectable is false. DB: Looks like the test case needs mutli-selectable set. JS: so all the test file needs it an aria-multiselectable="true" on the listbox container. ... looks like you can close your action 1220. DB: okay, I can close it. issue-559? <trackbot> ISSUE-559 -- Missing member of relationships -- open <trackbot> [25]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/559 [25] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/559 JS: the text Rich is talking about is near here: [26]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_event s_visibility [26] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_visibility [27]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_event s_selection [27] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_selection DB: I think we can add MSAA+IA2 to that bullted list. JS: okay, I'll take care of it somewho. issue-550? <trackbot> ISSUE-550 -- Come up with a date to stop editing UAIG in preparation for the next Last Call Draft -- closed <trackbot> [28]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/550 [28] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/550 issue-560? <trackbot> ISSUE-560 -- MSAA/IA2 spec. inconsistent with implementation in FF on aria-activedescendant -- open <trackbot> [29]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/560 [29] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/560 CS: this whole focus and ad thing, we had lots of discussion on. ... we should not re-open. Let's move this to 2.0. Resolved: change issue-560 product to Aria 2.0 JS: noting that the test case is currently failing. CS: I think the problem is that the negotiated solution is not consistent with the implementation in either FF nor IE. ... there is a test case is failing. What do we do? DB: I think we ended up softening the wording. CS: is there any way we can soften the test case. [30]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit?testsu ite_id=1&testcase_id=190 [30] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=190 JS: quoting the expected result: Accessible with id='test' has role ROLE_SYSTEM_GROUPING, AND Does not expose STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED, AND Accessible with id='obj1' exposes STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE and STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED. DB: that makes sense to me for FF JS: here the test file: [31]https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pfwg/raw-file/default/ARIA/1.0/tests /test-files/roles-properties-supported/roles-properties-support ed-group-aria-activedescendant-obj1.html [31] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pfwg/raw-file/default/ARIA/1.0/tests/test-files/roles-properties-supported/roles-properties-supported-group-aria-activedescendant-obj1.html CS: it passes in IE. ... David, it looks like you have a bug. ... it has a pass for FF in the test report. <cyns> [32]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testreport?testsuite_ id=1 [32] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testreport?testsuite_id=1 [33]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite _id=1&testcase_id=190 [33] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=190 <davidb> passes in IE and FF JS: looks like Rich passed it. ... making note in issue to ask rich about it. ... it's listed as aria 2.0. Why is ther a 1.0 test case then? CS: next meeting is Jul 11 ... do you think we can get through the rest on the next meeting? ... could we do a 2 hour meeting next time? DB: I can't make the 11th. ... I could have a meeting w/ Joseph betfore then, while you are on vacation. JS: let's meet next at noon EDT/9am PDT for an hour on Jul 2nd. Summary of Action Items [End of minutes] __________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [34]scribe.perl version 1.138 ([35]CVS log) $Date: 2013-06-13 18:06:00 $ __________________________________________________________ [34] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [35] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ -- ;;;;joseph. 'A: After all, it isn't rocket science.' 'K: Right. It's merely computer science.' - J. D. Klaun -
Received on Thursday, 13 June 2013 18:13:49 UTC