- From: Joseph Scheuhammer <clown@alum.mit.edu>
- Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 14:13:21 -0400
- To: "wai-xtech@w3.org" <wai-xtech@w3.org>
Link: http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-aapi-minutes.html
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[1]W3C
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- DRAFT -
Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
13 Jun 2013
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Jun/0000.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-aapi-irc
Attendees
Present
Joseph_Scheuhammer, David_Bolter, Cynthia_Shelly
Regrets
Chair
Joseph_Scheuhammer
Scribe
clown
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Last call for UAIG
2. [6]bug 19772.
3. [7]ACTION-1200
4. [8]Last call for UAIG.
* [9]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 13 June 2013
<scribe> scribenick: clown
<scribe> Chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer
Last call for UAIG
CS: can we go to last call by next week?
... picking a realistic date and stickly with it.
... do either of you think next week is feasible
DB: not really
JS: no, because I can't make all the edits that we know about
by then.
CS: there is a bunch of work items, and then a number of issues
and actions.
... we can go thru them and say "no" (as the default action).
JS: I have been bringing up some of the issues at the mon
calls, and it's slow going to get consenus on them, one way or
another.
CS: the default answer is "no".
JS: If the default is no, then the due date and/or version
needs to change.
... either they are 1.1 or 2.0 issues and are due at some later
date.
CS: we could switch them to 1.1 or 2.0, and say can you live
with that?
JS: a danger is the public gets to comment on last call.
... are these issues going to come back from the public
comments?
CS: they might, but we could still say this is for the next
version.
JS: David, here is the URL to outstanding issues and actions:
[10]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
... what do you think about Cynthia's suggestion.
[10] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
DB: we could probably do that for a lot of them, but not sure
about all of them.
bug 19772.
[11]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19772
[11] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19772
JS: Cynthia, can we close this?
[12]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_role_
table
[12] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_role_table
JS: for UIA express, I put back: "If
[13]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/states_and_properties#aria-ex
pandedhttp://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/states_and_properties#aria-
expanded is not "true", expose STATE_SYSTEM_COLLAPSED"
[13] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/states_and_properties#aria-expandedhttp://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/states_and_properties
CS: let me close the bug, or you could.
JS: closing… nope. can't find my password.
CS: I'll close it. "resolved/fixed".
ACTION-1200
action-1200?
<trackbot> ACTION-1200 -- Cynthia Shelly to create table for
author errors in UAIG, with columns for each API. -- due
2013-06-13 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[14]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1200
[14] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1200
CS: I might have to work on it on the weekend.
JS: that's fine.
... If it helps, I can make the table, if you can give me the
contents.
Last call for UAIG.
[15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Jun/0000.
html
[15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Jun/0000.html
JS: David, you have some actions/issues to deal with before
last call.
... we don't have to do them now, but could you look at them
and get back to me by email?
DB: I'll put them in my to-do list.
JS: So, let's look at the overall issue/action list.
[16]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
[16] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
issue-486?
<trackbot> ISSUE-486 -- UAIG has some MUST requirements that
could only be tested in HTML 5, but 1) the ARIA spec is being
tested only against HTML 4 and we prefer to do the same with
UAIG, and 2) HTML 5 isn't complete; so we need to deal with
this in the UAIG CR exit criteria n -- open
<trackbot> [17]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/486
[17] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/486
JS: the only thing that is outstanding, I think, is the mapping
conflict between html5 native semantics and aria semantics.
CS: the text was a negotiated selttelement.
... I don't think we should remove it.
... but see what Michael says.
[18]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_confl
icts
[18] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_conflicts
CS: If Michael thinks we can safely remove it, then we can do
that. Or make and run the tests.
JS: I think Michael wants to make the tests.
DB: I think we sort of have to do more tests.
issue-551?
<trackbot> ISSUE-551 -- When UAIG enters CR, we need to ask
Director if we have to have 2 mappings to all platforms, or
just demonstrate implementability of mapping via a sample and
say all the mappings are therefore defined implementable --
open
<trackbot> [19]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/551
[19] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/551
CS: michael action item.
JS: doesn't change the UAIG
CS: It might. we might have to merge the UIA and UIA express
column.
... we need to wait on the director's response here.
... and, that would not happen until July, then.
issue-552?
<trackbot> ISSUE-552 -- UAIG spec. is inaccurate wrt selection
events pertaining to aria-selected being applied (MSAA/IA2) --
open
<trackbot> [20]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/552
[20] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/552
JS: for more information, the issue points to this email:
[21]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2013JanMar/
0083.html
[21] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2013JanMar/0083.html
[22]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_event
s_selection
[22] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_selection
JS: the add and remove events happen in a multiselectable
scenario, according to the UAIG.
... Rich references this test case:
[23]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit?testsu
ite_id=1&testcase_id=672
... here is the test file:
[24]https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pfwg/raw-file/default/ARIA/1.0/tests
/test-files/selected-state/672.html
... it's a list box with one option in it.
... aria-multiselectable (or whatever it's called) is not
specified.
[23] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=672
[24] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pfwg/raw-file/default/ARIA/1.0/tests/test-files/selected-state/672.html
DB: I wonder what's default for a list box?
JS: default for aria-multislectable is false.
DB: Looks like the test case needs mutli-selectable set.
JS: so all the test file needs it an
aria-multiselectable="true" on the listbox container.
... looks like you can close your action 1220.
DB: okay, I can close it.
issue-559?
<trackbot> ISSUE-559 -- Missing member of relationships -- open
<trackbot> [25]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/559
[25] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/559
JS: the text Rich is talking about is near here:
[26]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_event
s_visibility
[26] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_visibility
[27]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_event
s_selection
[27] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_selection
DB: I think we can add MSAA+IA2 to that bullted list.
JS: okay, I'll take care of it somewho.
issue-550?
<trackbot> ISSUE-550 -- Come up with a date to stop editing
UAIG in preparation for the next Last Call Draft -- closed
<trackbot> [28]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/550
[28] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/550
issue-560?
<trackbot> ISSUE-560 -- MSAA/IA2 spec. inconsistent with
implementation in FF on aria-activedescendant -- open
<trackbot> [29]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/560
[29] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/560
CS: this whole focus and ad thing, we had lots of discussion
on.
... we should not re-open. Let's move this to 2.0.
Resolved: change issue-560 product to Aria 2.0
JS: noting that the test case is currently failing.
CS: I think the problem is that the negotiated solution is not
consistent with the implementation in either FF nor IE.
... there is a test case is failing. What do we do?
DB: I think we ended up softening the wording.
CS: is there any way we can soften the test case.
[30]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit?testsu
ite_id=1&testcase_id=190
[30] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=190
JS: quoting the expected result: Accessible with id='test' has
role ROLE_SYSTEM_GROUPING, AND
Does not expose STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED, AND
Accessible with id='obj1' exposes STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE and
STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED.
DB: that makes sense to me for FF
JS: here the test file:
[31]https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pfwg/raw-file/default/ARIA/1.0/tests
/test-files/roles-properties-supported/roles-properties-support
ed-group-aria-activedescendant-obj1.html
[31] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pfwg/raw-file/default/ARIA/1.0/tests/test-files/roles-properties-supported/roles-properties-supported-group-aria-activedescendant-obj1.html
CS: it passes in IE.
... David, it looks like you have a bug.
... it has a pass for FF in the test report.
<cyns>
[32]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testreport?testsuite_
id=1
[32] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testreport?testsuite_id=1
[33]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite
_id=1&testcase_id=190
[33] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=190
<davidb> passes in IE and FF
JS: looks like Rich passed it.
... making note in issue to ask rich about it.
... it's listed as aria 2.0. Why is ther a 1.0 test case then?
CS: next meeting is Jul 11
... do you think we can get through the rest on the next
meeting?
... could we do a 2 hour meeting next time?
DB: I can't make the 11th.
... I could have a meeting w/ Joseph betfore then, while you
are on vacation.
JS: let's meet next at noon EDT/9am PDT for an hour on Jul 2nd.
Summary of Action Items
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