Minutes: [aapi] UAI TF Meeting Agenda Tue Jul 30 2013

Link: http://www.w3.org/2013/07/30-aapi-minutes.html

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    [1]W3C

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            Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
                               30 Jul 2013

    [2]Agenda

       [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Jul/0016.html

    See also: [3]IRC log

       [3] http://www.w3.org/2013/07/30-aapi-irc

Attendees

    Present
           Joseph_Scheuhammer, Michael_Cooper, Cynthia_Shelley

    Regrets
           David_Bolter

    Chair
           Joseph_Scheuhammer

    Scribe
           clown

Contents

      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]Meeting for next two weeks while Joseph is away.
          2. [6]ISSUE-596
          3. [7]ISSUE-595
          4. [8]ISSUE-597
      * [9]Summary of Action Items
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    <trackbot> Date: 30 July 2013

    <scribe> scribenick: clown

    [10]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Jul/0016.
    html

      [10] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Jul/0016.html

Meeting for next two weeks while Joseph is away.

    JS: I am on vacation for the next two weeks.
    ... Do you have have interest in running this meeting while I'm
    away.

    CS: I can do that.

    MC: I'll try to come. I'm here to support process and timeline
    acceleration.

    CS: I've been meeting with Rich and making a second pass at
    some of the tests that are faling.
    ... We've made some progress in that.
    ... But, we have raised some issues.

    JS: I'll leave it to you, cyns, to arrange with davidb to have
    these meetings.
    ... and you are welcome to use this chat room and bots
    ... but if you change the time, contact Michael.

    MC: I could set up an impromptu room, but it's not easy to do
    that.
    ... I just need advance notice to set up zakim.
    ... Whether I can make that time is an open question.

ISSUE-596

    issue-596?

    <trackbot> ISSUE-596 -- Failure of aria-invalid mappings for
    AT-SPI in test cases: mapping is via text attributes, not
    object attributes but is not exposed. -- open

    <trackbot> [11]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/596

      [11] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/596

    JS: There are at least two test cases of aria-invalid that fail
    on AT-SPI
    ... but they pass on IA2.
    ... I have been discussing with Alex in emails.
    ... Alex believes it should succeed, and has asked for screen
    shots from me.
    ... I will provide after the meeting ends.

    CS: Have you got the right version of FF?

    JS: Yes, according to Alex.

    Topics: Outstanding issues and actions.

    [12]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10

      [12] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10

ISSUE-595

    issue-595?

    <trackbot> ISSUE-595 -- treegrid for UIA has outline roles vs.
    gridcell roles. IE implemented gridcell - Change it? -- raised

    <trackbot> [13]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/595

      [13] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/595

    CS: Currently the UAIG says to map treegrid items to outline
    roles.
    ... But IE actually maps to gridcell.

    JS: Looks like the UIA express is using MSAA.

    CS: Yes, but it appears that IE is doing something different.
    ... Interesting that pure UIA says to map to "DataGrid"
    ... Tree is mapped to outline.
    ... change it to ROLE_CELL

    JS: ROLE_CELL?

    CS: It should be DataItem in the pure UIA column
    ... It should be, for UIA express, ROLE_SYSTEM_CELL

    [14]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/595

      [14] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/595

    JS: I made notes in the issue.
    ... Any other issues that you want to discuss?

ISSUE-597

    ISSUE-597?

    <trackbot> ISSUE-597 -- When IE encounters an id that is on
    more than one element in a (aria-describedby or
    aria-labelledby) nothing is mapped. -- raised

    <trackbot> [15]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/597

      [15] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/597

    [16]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2013JulSep/
    0207.html

      [16] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2013JulSep/0207.html

    JS: I couldn't find anywhere in the UAIG or spec talking about
    duplicate IDs.

    [17]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/1.0/CR/implementation-report

      [17] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/1.0/CR/implementation-report

    MC: that would have been in the aria spec, but not the UAIG.
    ... perhaps not in a particular section, but something we
    wanted to deal with.
    ... I'm sure the UAIG has some requirement in it.
    ... The author errors section mentions unresolved IDs, but not
    duplicate IDs.
    ... This suggests we had something in ARIA about it, not in the
    UAIG.
    ... I just checked a version of UAIG from Nov last year, and
    it's not in that one.
    ... not seeing the word duplicate.
    ... probably two years ago that we wrote this.
    ... maybe we thought we should have a test for it, and were
    intending to put it in the spec.
    ... Maybe want to keep the test for other purposes.

    JS: what is that other kind of testing called? Not CR testing,
    but ?

    MC: Interoperability testing.

    JS: Might this be an interoperable testing.

    MC: Yes, that might be a place for it.
    ... At this point, I'm okay with marking these are not
    required.

    JS: The requirement for IDs being unique predates ARIA

    MC: Yes, that goes back a long time, but various specs have to
    deal with these somehow.

    CS: Should we mark these as not required?

    MC: Is duplicate IDs a common problem that we need to look out
    for?

    JS: from my dojo and jquery work: they go out of their way to
    make sure that IDs are unique.
    ... By the time it reaches an actual web page, a dojo/jquery
    widget will work.

    CS: I've similar experience with Visual Basic

    [18]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2013JulSep/
    0208.html

      [18] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2013JulSep/0208.html

    JS: RIch thinks that this is not needed.

    MC: I think the answer is no and close the topic.

    JS: Shoudl we close the issue?

    CS: yes, and let's mark the test cases as not required for CR.

    JS: I made a note of which test cases were not required for CR,
    and closed the issue.

    RRSAgent: make minutes.

Summary of Action Items

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