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Minutes: [aapi] UAI TF Meeting Tue Aug 27 2013

From: Joseph Scheuhammer <clown@alum.mit.edu>
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 16:11:52 -0400
Message-ID: <521D0808.2060709@alum.mit.edu>
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Link:  http://www.w3.org/2013/08/27-aapi-minutes.html

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    [1]W3C

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            Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
                               27 Aug 2013

    [2]Agenda

       [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Aug/0016.html

    See also: [3]IRC log

       [3] http://www.w3.org/2013/08/27-aapi-irc

Attendees

    Present
           Cynthia_Shelly, Joseph_Scheuhammer

    Regrets
           David_Bolter, Michael_Cooper

    Chair
           Joseph_Scheuhammer

    Scribe
           clown

Contents

      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]Test case 344
          2. [6]issue-595
          3. [7]action-842
          4. [8]action-973
          5. [9]action-982
          6. [10]action-1104
          7. [11]action-1115
          8. [12]action-1210
          9. [13]action-1255
      * [14]Summary of Action Items
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    <trackbot> Date: 27 August 2013

    <scribe> scribenick: clown

    topci: Test case 344

Test case 344

    JS: this has to do with aria-checked='mixed' on radio buttons.
    ... all platforms are failing.
    ... Rich has asked that at least two user agents to please
    implement the spec.
    ... right, this is for a menuitemradio button, but it's the
    same problem.

    CS: why mixed on a radio button.

    JS: the spec says, if mixed on a radio button, expose as false.
    ... FF exposes it as true.

    [15]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite
    _id=1&testcase_id=344

      [15] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=344

    CS: we may want to change this to MSAA.
    ... we didn't implement TogglePattern for radio buttons.
    ... but, we did implement selectable for radio buttons.

    JS: check boxes too?

    CS: not sure.
    ... but in any case, if we change the UAIG to say "expose in
    selectable state and is-selected = false" UIA Express.
    ... that might make IE pass this.

    JS: just to be sure, those are MSAA states and properties.

    CS: yes.
    ... menuitemcheckbox is using the checked state;
    menuitemradiobuttons is using the selected state.
    ... I bet an old desktop radio button implements the selection
    state.
    ... I'd have to go look.

    JS: so the proposal is to change the UAIG to map radio button
    aria-checked state to selectable states.
    ... for the UIA express column.

    CS: radio button is not quite the same implementation, but it
    does expose a selectable action.
    ... But, the UAIG for UIA TogglePattern is not implemented, and
    needs to be switched for UIA Express.

    <scribe> ACTION: Cynthia to look into toggle patterns and how
    that needs to be modified in the UAIG. [recorded in
    [16]http://www.w3.org/2013/08/27-aapi-minutes.html#action01]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-1255 - Look into toggle patterns and
    how that needs to be modified in the uaig. [on Cynthia Shelly -
    due 2013-09-03].

    <scribe> ACTION: Joseph to modify MSAA+UIA Express entry for
    aria-checked on menuitemradio button to use MSAA selectable
    state and selected proerty instead of UIA TogglePattern.
    [recorded in
    [17]http://www.w3.org/2013/08/27-aapi-minutes.html#action02]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-1256 - Modify msaa+uia express entry
    for aria-checked on menuitemradio button to use msaa selectable
    state and selected proerty instead of uia togglepattern. [on
    Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2013-09-03].

    JS: ISSELECTED property and SELECTABLE state?

    <cyns> selectable state, isSelected property

    CS: windows 98 camel case.
    ... these are the COM properties.
    ... you can do with the caps. There is an article that gives
    the enumerations.

issue-595

    issue-595?

    <trackbot> issue-595 -- treegrid for UIA has outline roles vs.
    gridcell roles. IE implemented gridcell - Change it? -- open

    <trackbot> [18]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/595

      [18] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/595

    JS: I did the edit, but Rich raised a related issue.

    issue-598?

    <trackbot> issue-598 -- Mapping for treegrid role is incorrect
    for IE -- open

    <trackbot> [19]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/598

      [19] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/598

    <scribe> ACTION: Cynthia to check the IE10 and IE11 to see how
    they map the treegrid role. [recorded in
    [20]http://www.w3.org/2013/08/27-aapi-minutes.html#action03]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-1257 - Check the ie10 and ie11 to see
    how they map the treegrid role. [on Cynthia Shelly - due
    2013-09-03].

    action-1257?

    <trackbot> action-1257 -- Cynthia Shelly to Check the ie10 and
    ie11 to see how they map the treegrid role. -- due 2013-09-03
    -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [21]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1257

      [21] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1257

action-842

    action-842?

    <trackbot> action-842 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a diagram to
    support 1.2 A11Y vs DOM tree -- due 2011-06-21 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [22]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/842

      [22] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/842

    CS: Let's set that to aria 1.1.

action-973

    action-973?

    <trackbot> action-973 -- Cynthia Shelly to Work with David
    Bolter and Larry Weiss to create testable statements for UAIG
    4.2 Controlling focus with tabindex, bullet 11 -- due
    2013-07-15 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [23]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/973

      [23] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/973

    [24]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#keyboard-focu
    s_tabindex

      [24] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#keyboard-focus_tabindex

    bullet 11 is:

    When the user triggers an element with a defined activation
    behavior in a manner other than clicking it, such as by
    pressing Enter, simulate a click on the element. The steps to
    simulate a click include:

    1. running pre-click activation steps

    2. firing a click event

    3. running post-click activation steps

    If the event is cancelled, run cancelled activation steps on
    the element instead.

    CS: this is not that difficult to test. At least B is easy.

    JS: actually this is something that MichaelC_ has started work
    on.

    CS: Re-assign to MichaelC_

    JS: Ok, I reassigned to Michael as part of the UAIG test suite.
    ... with luck, he may already have these testable statements
    complete.

action-982

    action-982?

    <trackbot> action-982 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create UIA special
    case test cases from existing generated test cases. -- due
    2013-07-01 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [25]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/982

      [25] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/982

    CS: email on its way.

action-1104

    action-1104?

    <trackbot> action-1104 -- Cynthia Shelly to Define what the
    accessibility API mapping is for UIA on aria-describedby in
    section 5.5.1 table when the element does not exist in the
    accessibility tree such as when css: display:none applies --
    due 2013-05-23 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [26]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104

      [26] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104

    CS: still working on it. Change the due date to Sep 17.

    JS: done.

action-1115

    action-1115?

    <trackbot> action-1115 -- Cynthia Shelly to Find reference in
    MSAA spec that says you can't put anything in the role property
    except roles that are defined by the MSAA spec -- due
    2012-10-02 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [27]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1115

      [27] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1115

    CS: not required for shipping.
    ... this is really a discussion with David about FF putting
    strings into MSAA role.
    ... But, that's overtaken with their use of IA2.
    ... So, we could move this to Aria 1.1

    JS: does it relate to 1175?

    action-1175?

    <trackbot> action-1175 -- David Bolter to Status of
    ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT in MSAA/IA2 column for role=heading -- due
    2013-03-18 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [28]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1175

      [28] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1175

    JS: no, it doesn't. Let's move it to aria 1.1.
    ... okay, it's now moved to an aria 1.1 action.

action-1210

    action-1210?

    <trackbot> action-1210 -- Cynthia Shelly to research why test
    case 267 fails. Is UAIG or IE10 impl correct? -- due 2013-05-23
    -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [29]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1210

      [29] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1210

    CS: let's see if it is still failing.
    ... I passed it recently.
    ... I'm seeing a pass in IE10.

    resolved: close action-1210 since it is now passing in IE10.

action-1255

    CS: that's the one we just created.
    ... so we are done.
    ... I will do my best to attend next week.

    JS: I will be here since it's the day after labour day.

    rssagent, make minutes

    RRSAgent: make log public

    RRSAgent: make log public

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: Cynthia to check the IE10 and IE11 to see how
    they map the treegrid role. [recorded in
    [30]http://www.w3.org/2013/08/27-aapi-minutes.html#action03]
    [NEW] ACTION: Cynthia to look into toggle patterns and how that
    needs to be modified in the UAIG. [recorded in
    [31]http://www.w3.org/2013/08/27-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
    [NEW] ACTION: Joseph to modify MSAA+UIA Express entry for
    aria-checked on menuitemradio button to use MSAA selectable
    state and selected proerty instead of UIA TogglePattern.
    [recorded in
    [32]http://www.w3.org/2013/08/27-aapi-minutes.html#action02]

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