- From: Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>
- Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 19:15:18 +0200
- To: James Craig <jcraig@apple.com>
- Cc: Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>, 'W3C WAI-XTECH' <wai-xtech@w3.org>
James Craig, Wed, 15 Sep 2010 09:54:38 -0700: > On Sep 15, 2010, at 6:06 AM, Leif Halvard Silli wrote: > >> Dear WAI-XTECH listees! Is this the right place to propose changes to >> ARIA? > > Here is fine, but if you'd like to make a formal suggestion, email > public-pfwg-comments@w3.org OK. Is there not a bug tracker? >> I happen to be of the belief it would strengthen the case for @longdesc >> in HTML5 if it was demonstrated how one can do the same thing via ARIA. >> Perhaps, out of this debate, we could even agree to change ARIA to make >> it better suited for such a thing? > > I can't speak for all members of the PFWG, but I personally agree > that @longdesc should be removed from HTML5, and I know that several > other PF member representatives feel the same way. I don't feel > strongly enough about it to start another holy war on this list, but > suffice it to say that I also don't feel that we should help > strengthen the case for @longdesc. Save your strength and fight a > more important battle. Strictly speaking, the most important thing is that it is possible to link from an role="img" to a long description. And I personally see many advantages to a anchor element solution. Some of the @longdesc supporters (Laura, I'm looking at you) seems to see ARIA solutions as a hack. And I think that some of them don't want to look at ARIA for fear that it could be shown possible to use ARIA. But I have to warn you, ARIA people, as well: if you add the possibilithy of a link inside role="img", then you _could_ in fact add a argument in favor of @longdesc. I hope that that will not prevent you from looking at the idea I presented above? I described this in more detail here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Sep/0429 Simply put: Apart from the ability to providing AT a link to a long description, I also see the proposal above as a principal issue. Namely: role="img" appears to be modeled after how <img> works. Thus it is a failur to implement <img> as role="img" that you haven't sofar allowed a long description link inside role="img" elements. I am sure that *if* you add ability to link from within role="img" to long description, then you would please many and certainly add an argumetn in favor of deprecating @longdesc. ARIA could even describe that authors MAY use @longdesc, but are advice to use this rel=longdesc link feature that I suggest. If a role="img" element has both featueres, then ARIA should tell AT to use only one of them, for instance. -- leif halvard silli
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