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Re: alt - data and reason Re: One more thought...

From: Charles McCathieNevile <chaals@opera.com>
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 19:30:01 +0200
To: "William Loughborough" <love26@gorge.net>, faulkner.steve@gmail.com, hsivonen@iki.fi, mattmay@gmail.com
Cc: public-html@w3.org, wai-xtech@w3.org, wai-liaison@w3.org
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On Mon, 19 May 2008 19:05:00 +0200, William Loughborough  
<love26@gorge.net> wrote:

> Unless you mistyped "quantitative" as "qualitative" I must disagree. All  
> of us who have participated in these efforts at consensus, particularly
> the tragedy of ATAG-compliance avoidance, know full well
> that the arguments raised by the very tool designers have on the whole  
> been driven by competely wrong motives.
> Their self-denial of bigotry...
> If the designers of these tools cannot at this time
> make their tools ATAG-compliant, why not? and when can they?

I fear that I sit somewhere in the middle here. Certainly, people have not  
made enough of an effort to get things right, or things would be right.  
Equally certainly, the crime of many extends merely to laziness, and in  
some cases that is very relative...

Anyway, here I am not interested in anybody's personal motivation. I am  
interested in discovering the thought process that led to the results that  
we have today, as a prelude to determining how we can make it simpler for  
people to get to the point where we would like them to have reached by  
making it clearer how to avoid some specific errors. (I am sure that  
whatever we do people will continue to get things wrong for a variety of  
reasons. But I would like those reasons not to include poor guidance from  



> Love.
>> From    : Charles McCathieNevile[mailto:chaals@opera.com]
> Actually, we don't even have any decent qualitative data on this - and it
> is the crucial point in the entire debate...Until we have some useful  
> and moderately convincing
> data, there is no clear reason to resolve ISSUE-31 one way or the other  
> beyond conviction
> and guesswork. And it is quite clear that the results of those are not
> leading to consensus.

Charles McCathieNevile  Opera Software, Standards Group
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