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RE: Which is it? - widget keynav

From: Schnabel, Stefan <stefan.schnabel@sap.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:07:32 +0100
Message-ID: <255E2E0688F6364594ABCB93F5223747C86893@dewdfe19.wdf.sap.corp>
To: "Victor Tsaran" <vtsaran@yahoo-inc.com>, "Chris Blouch" <cblouch@aol.com>
Cc: "Joseph Scheuhammer" <clown@utoronto.ca>, "Evans, Donald" <Donald.Evans@corp.aol.com>, "Earl Johnson" <Earl.Johnson@Sun.COM>, <wai-xtech@w3.org>

I agree. Creativity is always limited if you have to think of using
rollers instead of fine brushes when creating fine art :)

Regards
Stefan

-----Original Message-----
From: wai-xtech-request@w3.org [mailto:wai-xtech-request@w3.org] On
Behalf Of Victor Tsaran
Sent: Freitag, 29. Februar 2008 00:26
To: Chris Blouch
Cc: Joseph Scheuhammer; Evans, Donald; Earl Johnson; wai-xtech@w3.org
Subject: Re: Which is it? - widget keynav


I would like to think of ARIA in particular as a progressive enhancement

feature rather than being a solution for everything. While building web 
2.0 apps we do not want to discourage developers from thinking 
symantically about the pages they are building. I think this is 
fundemental for best software practices as well as for web 2.0 apps.
Regards,
Victor

Chris Blouch wrote:
>
> This is a tough nut to crack. We are trying to make web apps behave 
> like desktop apps and the precedent set forth by various OSes has been

> discord in some areas of navigation. So do we emulate the desktop to 
> the point where web apps also vary from platform to platform or do we 
> try to extract what a best practice is. Of course we go with a single 
> best practice. That, unfortunately, means there will be winners and 
> losers. For the losers there is the loss of potentially years of 
> muscle memory from consistent object-action bindings. Obviously the 
> choices will be hard and should not be driven by platform dominance, 
> but we must either choose unity and consistency between 
> browsers/platforms or it the same old dichotomy all over again. One of

> the alluring aspects of the web was platform or user-agent 
> agnosticism. Some suffering by some users now for a consistent widget 
> behavior for everyone later seems a worthy cost. The age old common 
> good argument.
>
> CB
>
> Joseph Scheuhammer wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> As an example, many people already understand how to operate a
treeview
>>> from the MS OS.  Therefore it makes sense to mimic that keyboard
>>> behavior in the same type of widget on the web.
>>
>> Except...those people who use Macs.  They are used to its treeview 
>> key navigation, so it seem odd to them to switch gears to the web 
>> tree widget.
>>
>> Which doesn't answer the question re: sticking to the platform's key 
>> navigation vs. overriding.  It just adds fuel to fire (to switch 
>> metaphors).
>>
>
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