- From: David Poehlman <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
- Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:45:01 -0400
- To: <wai-xtech@w3.org>
- Cc: "HTML WG" <public-html@w3.org>, "W3C WAI-XTECH" <wai-xtech@w3.org>, <wai-liaison@w3.org>, <w3c-wai-pf@w3.org>
Hi Doug, This raises a flag with me. Your breaking it down into three categories? reminds me of conformance to guidelines. If we are going to do that, It must have a high priority since if it has a priority of 3, lots of accessibility will be lost. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Schepers" <schepers@w3.org> To: <wai-xtech@w3.org> Cc: "HTML WG" <public-html@w3.org>; "W3C WAI-XTECH" <wai-xtech@w3.org>; <wai-liaison@w3.org>; <w3c-wai-pf@w3.org> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 5:25 PM Subject: Re: Mandatory and Important Hi, Laura- Laura Carlson wrote (on 8/21/08 2:13 PM): > > In the thread, "Optional But Important (was: alt attribute - a very > simple proposal)" [1] you wrote: > >> It's really important for @alt to be included when it's appropriate, >> but a "required" attribute connotes that an element cannot be >> minimally and usefully processed without that attribute. So, my >> opinion is that @alt should not be required for validity or >> well-formedness. ... > It's the elephant in the room. And until someone either comes up with > a solution that maintains the integrity of the markup while addressing > their business needs, or addresses putting the business requirements > above the integrity of the markup, everyone is wasting time arguing > about edge cases. You quoted me, but left out the most important part of my email: the proposal. I'll include it here for this thread: [[ However, @alt (and maybe some other attributes and elements) is so important that it might be useful if there were a third class of conformance: well-formedness, validity, and "semantic completeness". So, an image without @alt would be well-formed, valid, but perhaps not semantically complete. ]] So, you see, I'm not saying that @alt should not be flagged in a validator. Rather, I'm suggesting that it be flagged as something *other than* a validity or well-formedness error. It seems disingenuous to suggest that I stated otherwise, or that I was trying to obfuscate the issue. Also, please don't categorize my suggestion as being for anything other than the benefit of accessibility (such as business cases or profit), as it was very clearly intended explicitly for the sole purpose of a validator explaining not only what the problem with such a document would be, but the rationale for flagging the problem. (As a side note, please stop including my email in the CC list for this thread. I honestly don't need 4 copies of each email. When you feel the need to draw someone's attention to an email to a list, it's sufficient to use BCC so they don't get perma-added to the thread.) Regards- -Doug
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