- From: Matt Morgan-May <mattmay@adobe.com>
- Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:07:13 -0700
- To: Dave Singer <singer@apple.com>, John Foliot <foliot@wats.ca>
- CC: "'HTML4All'" <list@html4all.org>, <wai-xtech@w3.org>, "'HTML WG'" <public-html@w3.org>
On 4/11/08 12:24 PM, "Dave Singer" <singer@apple.com> wrote: > Consider an image that is 'part of the content' > > <img ... alt="an image"> > > tells the user agent that there is a useful alt string that is worth > displaying to the user, which is a lie (the string provided is not > useful), and I disagree. See below. > <img ... alt=""> > > tells the user-agent that the image is not 'part of the content', > it's not worth describing, which in this hypothetical case is also a > lie, whereas > > <img ... > > > tells the user agent the truth, that there is not a useful > author-provided string. > > Lies are "worse" than the truth. We know from over 10 years of experience that authors are going to lie. That is something we can't control, and it's not in my mind sufficient reason to dismiss the need for a required alt attribute. However, for those who do validate, requiring alt is the only way to get the author to signal his or her intent. To remove that barrier forces us to assume that _all_ instances of <img> without alt present on the web simply couldn't be expressed throws out the bathwater, the baby, the tub, the pipes, and a chunk of the sewer line. For every one image being held up as the edge case here (i.e., user-generated content), there are dozens if not hundreds of others elsewhere on the web that have no such excuse for not having a meaningful alt attribute. The absence of semantics is not the semantics of absence. You cannot turn one of the most common validity and accessibility failures on its head simply because an empty alt attribute is unattractive. We (including accessibility evaluation tools) have relied on this as a statement that the author has evaluated the image and determined that it is not worth an alternative. If they're lying, they will need to take that up with a higher power than the W3C validator. For that matter, I would argue that a site like Flickr _should_ apply non-empty alt text for their images, given that those images are the main content of the document. Even if there is no reasonable text equivalent, there's nothing to say that a blind user wouldn't want to be informed of that image. (And before you laugh at that, I know at least one blind person with a Flickr stream. Probably more.) - m
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