- From: Anne van Kesteren <annevk@opera.com>
- Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:11:19 +0200
- To: "Matthew Raymond" <mattraymond@earthlink.net>, public-html@w3.org
- Cc: wai-xtech@w3.org
On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:27:52 +0200, Matthew Raymond
<mattraymond@earthlink.net> wrote:
> So I must ask again: What it the specific problem that |role| is the
> sole solution to? Is there even a problem for which it is the /optimal/
> solution? I'm just not seeing the benefit.
It's part of the hopefully short-term, stop-gap measure, that provides
"afterthought" accessibility for widgets created using JavaScript, HTML
and CSS. Given that role= is already deployed, it's unlikely we need that
name in the future, and all other attributes that are part of this are
scoped using the aria prefix I don't think there's much harm.
The only theoretical harm I suppose is that role= is also being defined by
the XHTML role module which defines its scope to be much greater than what
is being implemented and what is being considered necessary by the
stakeholders implementing. In effect, role= is more or less being forked
to do its specific accessibility related task. Given that everything under
discussion is still in draft form I don't see much problems here.
Introducing aria-role besides role just increases the number of options
people have to implement unless existing content authors can be convinced
to use the new idea instead. If that can be arranged on a relatively short
time frime Opera might be able to change its implementation before Opera
9.5 final. It has been suggested that this might be possible for Firefox 3
as well.
I believe the requirements of the proposal we're talking about are:
1. The ability to specify a widget type.
2. The ability to specify a fallback widget type in case the
widget type is not supported.
3. The ability to specify widget properties.
4. The ability to do this consistently for both HTML and XHTML
5. The ability to also do this for other XML markup (SVG, etc.).
Of these 1, 3, 4 and 5 are addressed by Simon's proposal
http://simon.html5.org/specs/aria-proposal for ARIA. I would suggest we
address 2 by making role= an _ordered_ space-separated list of values
where the first value is used or, if it's not supported, the second, etc.
If none is supported the element has no widget type. This would enable
things like:
<div role="aol-buddylist list">
(This fallback proposal is from Henri Sivonen if I remember correctly.)
I'm using the CSS extension mechanism syntax above as qnames have serious
issues http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Sep/0520.html
and only AT vendors will be able to introduce extensions that actually
matter to the end user. (Maybe in that light using the prefix aol is a bad
example, but hopefully everyone gets the idea.)
--
Anne van Kesteren
<http://annevankesteren.nl/>
<http://www.opera.com/>
Received on Monday, 1 October 2007 11:11:36 UTC