Re: [wbs] response to 'EOWG Approval – Changes to Media Resource Summary'

Hi Shawn,


On 17/12/2020 23:54, Shawn Henry wrote:
> Hi Shadi,
> 
> Thanks for review and comments. Would you provide more information on 
> some points below -- especially the last one.
> 
> Shadi Abou-Zahra via WBS Mailer wrote:
> ...
>> Comments:
>> [editors] "Provide a text transcript from the caption text and the
>> description of visual information so that people who are Deaf-blind 
>> get the
>> video content." -- maybe add "Some media players do this automatically"?
> 
> I don't know of any media players that automatically combine the caption 
> text and description. Also, for Deaf-blind, I understand that it's 
> better outside of the media player.

I thought AblePlayer and others do this but maybe I got this wrong.


>> [editors] "Provide sign language so that Deaf people whose native 
>> language
>> is sign get the content in their language." -- maybe add "where possible"
>> to soften this a little (ie. "Provide sign language where possible" or
>> such)? I know that this is not in-line with the current neutral approach
>> but "provide" kind of sticks out to me.
> 
> Yeah, I really struggle with this -- given we want everyone to provide 
> sign languages [plural], *and* most really cannot reasonably.
> 
> I had appeased myself with this wording because the list is introduced 
> with:
> [[
> This resource describes accessibility requirements in Web Content 
> Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) and good practices beyond WCAG. It helps 
> you:
> ...
> * Provide sign language...
> ]]
> 
> Yet I agree that it's likely many readers will skim or skip that, and 
> end up with pretty much just "Provide sign language"...

Agree that many people will not make this connection. Also, I don't 
consider sign language as "good practices beyond WCAG".


> One note is that "possible" isn't quite right. I mean, it's *technically 
> possible* for anyone to, it's just not financially feasible for most.

To me, "possible" is not limited to technical feasibility. Happy to 
explore other terms, I'm not the native speaker.


> I'll bring to EOWG options such as:
> * Provide sign language when possible, so that ...
> * Provide sign language where possible, so that ...
> * Provide sign language if possible, so that ...
> * If feasible, provide sign language, so that ...
> ... other...

All fine with me. Both "possible" and "feasible" sound the same to me.


>>> ---------------------------------
>>> Comments on other things
> ...
>> [lo] "Many people who are Deaf can read text well. They get the audio
>> information from transcripts or captions. Some people prefer sign
>> language." -> "Many people who are Deaf get the audio information from
>> transcripts or captions. Some people prefer sign language." -- the "can
>> read text well" seems a little off IMO.
> 
> humm... I was intending it to be a shortcut for:
> Many people who are Deaf can read and understand written language well. 
> They get the audio information from transcripts or captions. Some people 
> who are Deaf cannot read text well, especially at the speed of most 
> captions. They need sign language.
> 
> shortened to:
> Many people who are Deaf can read text well. They get the audio 
> information from transcripts or captions. Some people prefer sign language.

Yes, I recall the evolution. Yet now "Many people who are Deaf can read 
text well" stands out on its own in my view. It seems a little odd.


> maybe:
> Many people who are Deaf get the audio information from transcripts or 
> captions. Some people prefer the information in their native sign language.

I like that direction.


> /me might add a GitHub issue for this...

If it resonates with other people. I don't feel strongly about this.


>> [med] I find this first page extremely long an overwhelming. I wonder if
>> this should become a real first page of the resource that people could
>> specifically point? Something like "background" or "getting started" or
>> such.
> 
> I do not understand what you are proposing. What is the "this"? What 
> content on what page(s)?
> 
> As a reminder (also in https://github.com/w3c/wai-media-guide/issues/147 ):
> * In the 30 October EOWG meeting we said we wanted quick tips.
> * In the 20 November EOWG meeting we looked at a Quick Tips draft page. 
> There was some discussion that they were too redundant with the first 
> page of the resource. [I think largely from SAZ]
> * Here's another approach: having the quick tips as bullets in the 
> Summary of the first page.
> * In the 4 December EOWG meeting EOWG came to a resolution to accept the 
> approach to include tips as a summary at the top of the first page.
> 
> Personally I would like the quicktips on a separate page -- that is, the 
> new bullets currently in the draft summary. However, not strongly enough 
> to push if EOWG doesn't.
> 
> /me doesn't stop herself from drafting 
> https://deploy-preview-149--wai-media-guide.netlify.app/media/av/quicktips/

No no no, sorry if I was unclear! I really *like* the "quick tips" on 
this first page. It is (1) a quick entry to the topic, (2) overview on 
the content, and (3) a reminder for recurring readers wanting to find 
particular information.

This question was about "other things" and I meant everything below on 
this page. I think most of it could/should be moved to a separate page 
for those totally new to the topic. I think it would make the resource 
seem lighter and less overwhelming. We would also have a separate page 
that is easier to reference in my view (ie. "go there for the basics").


> Looking forward to EOWG discussion this week. :-)

I'll try to behave...


> ~Shawn

Best,
   Shadi

-- 
Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/
Accessibility Strategy and Technology Specialist
Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)

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