Re: Eval Video comments

Hi Shawn,


On 13/09/2019 22:10, Shawn Henry wrote:
> Hey Shadi & all,
> 
> I reviewed the diff 
> https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/index.php?title=Video-Based_Resources%2FEvaluation_Introduction&type=revision&diff=28211&oldid=28154 
> 
> Thanks for that diff!
> 
> I have only one comment. [medium] In Video 5: Involving Users, I liked 
> the point that you had in an earlier iteration that this applies to your 
> customers, clients, etc. I know it's a bit problematic to try to have a 
> representative list when we don't want to try to list all. Here's 
> another pass at it:
> "Accessibility is about making your websites and applications usable by 
> people with disabilities. That includes your customers, clients, 
> employees, students, and others."

Good, I liked it too! I incorporated your suggestion but think it may be 
a little too long (especially since this is the starting sequence)?


> I also looked over the other materials you sent this week.
> 
> I think we want to:
> * keep the visual content pretty simple
> * avoid much text that will distract viewers from the audio (note: 
> having the same text that is said, such as the title of the video and 
> the title of documents, I think is *reinforcing* rather than distracting 
> :-), whereas having text on a web page would be distracting to some
> * be very careful about movement (e.g., "Round icon balls jump out from 
> the middle and arrange themselves in a semicircle above the computer.") 
> -- obviously there will be some movement
> 
> /me wonders what we say in <https://www.w3.org/WAI/media/av/>...
> "Some people cannot focus and comprehend auditory or visual information 
> when there are changing visuals. For most videos, they also need 
> descriptive transcripts."
> but nothing in <https://www.w3.org/WAI/media/av/av-content/>
> /me adds issue!

Points noted, and I think mostly followed so far. Except for "having 
text on a web page" -- I think the only place we may have this is to 
illustrate the page title check. We focus in on the title bar of the 
browser and only then does a brief title, like "Welcome - Online Shop" 
becomes actual readable readable text (as opposed to an illustrative 
outline of text (like we have in "use headings and spacing to group 
related content" in the Getting Started Tips for Designers) .


> My initial reaction on the background is that I prefer the white. Yet I 
> don't think my perspective should count much on that, given I'm far from 
> a common visual video viewer!
> 
> (ftr, I love the WAI-green/teal/turquoise used as a heading color, 
> button color, and a few other minor things on the WAI website. Yet it 
> seems too strong as the background for the videos. )

Agree. I just find the white background a little boring. Maybe we can 
come up with something in between (soft and discrete, yet branded).


> Also, I just wanted to check something... /me looks... yup, 
> <https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/Video-Based_Resources/Evaluation_Introduction#Approach> 
> says:
> "All videos are relying primarily on the audio, with the visuals being 
> only illustrative to support comprehension. As the visuals do not add 
> more information than what is already in the audio, audio-described 
> versions of the videos will not be needed."
> 
> I actually think these visuals more "reinforce what is said" or 
> "illustrate what is said" or just "provide visual eye candy" -- not sure 
> how much they "support comprehension" (if they really did, then might 
> need description).

We are in agreement, let's leave it at that. I would argue that such 
illustrative videos help me to understand what is being said. I think 
the key aspect is that they "do not add more information than what is 
already in the audio". Happy to tweak the wording if necessary.


> I have no other comments at this point. It's looking great!

Thank you for your substantive contribution, which will be reflected.

Best,
   Shadi

-- 
Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/
Accessibility Strategy and Technology Specialist
Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)

Received on Monday, 16 September 2019 06:37:40 UTC