Re: Business Case comments

It would be much better to create issues on GitHub.

Thanks very much, Sylvie!

Best,
Shawn

On 10/11/2018 3:00 AM, Sylvie Duchateau wrote:
> Hello Shawn and Sharron,
> 
> I have several reactions to your responses.
> 
> Do you think it is better to create issues on Github and discuss them there or shall I reply to your mails?
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> I will try to do this later today or tomorrow.
> 
> Best
> 
> Sylvie
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> Le 10/10/2018 à 22:25, Shawn Henry a écrit :
>> Thanks for the review and comments, Sylvie. Comments on first to are below preceded with "Shawn's thoughts:"
>>
>> You wrote:
>> 1. Regarding case studies, the only examples are Apple and Google. Even if I understand the arguments, it may happen that some people will say: you only mention big companies who have the means to provide those services. Unfortunately, I cannot think of other good examples. May be it could help to have an introduction sentence explaining why the two giants were chosen for the case study.
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>> Shawn's thoughts: Good point about the potential misunderstanding that only big companies have means to address accessibility. We should keep on the lookout for ways to address that -- for example, specifically look for case studies, quotes, or other examples of small organizations. (Sharron, do you want to record that somewhere? possibly a GitHub issue that we leave open just to help us remember it?) The reason the two giants were chosen was basically because that is all the info we could gather. I don't think there is a smooth way to say that.
>>
>> Sharron says: There are actually several case studies, including Barclay's Bank, Winn-Dixie grocery store, and the NPR radio show "This American Life."  However, in the innovation section those are the two. I therefore added this leading sentence:
>>
>> "Tech giants Apple and Google are recognized as leading innovators. Their development practices demonstrate the value of accessible design thinking."
>>
>> Let me know if that is OK.
>>
>> Shawn's thoughts: I think including "Tech giants" emphases the issue that was Sylvie's concern even more. Also, we shouldn't say "are recognized as leading innovators", given the vendor-neutrality issues. So I think just go back to how you had it before. "Apple development practice is another demonstration of how accessibility can drive innovation."
>>
>>
>> 2. In the case study on Google, I would be cautious with the last bullet: "auto-captioning for the deaf using machine learning is now being turned to broader applications". Many deaf and hard of hearing people complain that auto-captioning is a catastrophe. Sometimes it displays the contrary of what the person said. In a video, auto captioning transcribed the noise of the white cane of a blind person as applause. So I am not sure that auto-captioning is a good argument.
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>> Sharron says: I added this to the last bullet: "auto-captioning for the deaf using machine learning was problematic at first and as it has been steadily improving, is now being turned to broader applications"
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>> Shawn's thoughts: Unfortunately I don't think that takes care of the issue. auto-captioning is still far from an acceptable solution. Some brainstorms on how to address it:
>> * delete the whole bullet.
>> * "auto-captioning using machine learning that can be used as a first step to generating effective captions for people who are deaf is now being turned to broader applications"
>>
>> Best,
>> ~Shawn

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