- From: Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org>
- Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2016 01:11:01 +0100
- To: "Green, James" <jgreen@visa.com>, "Bakken, Brent" <brent.bakken@pearson.com>, "Halter, Adina" <adina_halter@cable.comcast.com>, wai-eo-editors <wai-eo-editors@w3.org>
Thanks for clarifying James, I understand your point now. I have no problems with removing it, and your suggested text. However, the transition was added because you and maybe others seemed to want a better transition from the "what if your world looked like this" scene of (post-production) changing the contrast of the roadsigns to the web context. The Task Force came up with the text, to use the narration to support and emphasize the visuals. I'm just explaining the background. Adina and Brent, given this context, do you have preferences regarding the reflection of the visuals in the narration to emphasize it, or is it sufficiently evident as James suggests? Best, Shadi On 18.3.2016 23:12, Green, James wrote: > Hi Shadi, > > You weren’t unclear. Maybe I was :) > > I understand you removed “our world” and thank you, I felt that was important. > > My second suggestion was to not say anything like "also for websites and apps” because it seems very odd when we don’t first set things up as being in the real world. Why not just say: > > 1. There’s something about great design that allows it to go practically unnoticed... > 2. But it doesn’t take much to make things confusing and frustrating. Choosing colors with poor contrast makes navigating, reading, and interacting a real pain. > 3. Good design means sufficient contrast between foreground and background colors. > > > Does the transition from street signs to app really need to be called out in the text? The “it’s also true for…” comes across as jarring to me when we never specified a “place” up front and the script I outline in the previous paragraph seems perfectly good to me... > > I wouldn’t hold things up over this, especially since I imagine this “that’s the same for…” line can be cut well into the editing process if other people find it strange after seeing the video in draft form... > > > Regards, > James > > > > > > > > > > On 3/15/16, 6:40 PM, "Shadi Abou-Zahra" <shadi@w3.org> wrote: > >> Hi James, >> >> Sorry if I was unclear. >> >> Your suggestion of removing "our world" has been addressed. It has been >> removed in the current online version already. >> >> The question is about also removing "That's the same for websites and >> apps". The counter suggestion to yours, is to make the sentence be: >> >> - "Also for websites and apps it is important to have colors with good >> contrast" >> >> The reason is to keep the terms "websites" and "apps" in there. Not sure >> that "sign, paper, or a screen" is helpful or confusing. Also, at this >> stage we can no longer make changes to the visuals / screen play. Only >> minor changes to the narration, so bear that in mind. >> >> How do you feel about the above suggested sentence? >> >> Many thanks, >> Shadi >> >> >> On 15.3.2016 20:31, Green, James wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Thanks for the thoughtful consideration of my suggestion. :) >>> >>> To clarify the reason I suggested removing “the world” and “that’s the same for websites and apps” - I still worry people will get hung up on the visuals not being a real representation of our world. If the voice track talks about how "our world" can be frustrating with poor contrast but doesn’t show a realistic example of that, people may be distracted and question our analogy. >>> >>> So, my goal was to make the voice track place-agnostic so they could be talking about the web from the beginning (though not overtly) - even though the visuals start with the street signs to make the point that contrast matters, it becomes evident that we could have been talking about websites and apps all along. That said, to then say “That’s the same for websites and apps” seems very strange to me without the inclusion of “our world” in the sentence before (and I feel strongly that “our world” needs to come out of that first sentence). >>> >>> If you really want leave that second sentence in then I would reword it so it’s not referring to something (“our world”) no longer there… Maybe say: “whether it’s on a sign, paper, or a screen… (optional idea: have person holding a paper map with low contrast, but don’t focus on it too much) >>> >>> So… here is what I suggest: >>> >>> REMOVE PERIOD at end of 2 and CHANGE 3 to: whether it’s on a sign, paper, or a screen… >>> >>> >>> CURRENT TEXT for reference: >>> 1. There’s something about great design that allows it to go practically unnoticed... >>> 2. But it doesn’t take much to make things confusing and frustrating. Choosing colors with poor contrast makes navigating, reading, and interacting a real pain. >>> 3. That’s the same for websites and apps. Good design means sufficient contrast between foreground and background colors. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> MODIFIED TEXT per my suggestion: >>> 1. There’s something about great design that allows it to go practically unnoticed... >>> 2. But it doesn’t take much to make things confusing and frustrating. Choosing colors with poor contrast makes navigating, reading, and interacting a real pain >>> 3. whether it’s on a sign, paper, or a screen, good design means sufficient contrast between foreground and background colors. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> James >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/14/16, 3:47 PM, "Shadi Abou-Zahra" <shadi@w3.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi James, all, >>>> >>>> Ref: https://github.com/w3c/wai-showcase-examples/pull/121/files >>>> >>>> James suggests to remove "That’s the same for websites and apps" from >>>> the narrative that currently reads: >>>> - "That’s the same for websites and apps. Good design means sufficient >>>> contrast between foreground and background colors." >>>> >>>> I don't feel strongly but we had some back and forth about it in the >>>> Task Force, so I want to get some broader perspectives before removal. >>>> >>>> My recollection is that this was to help transition from seeing the >>>> roadsigns change contrast and changing to the navigation app. It was >>>> pointed out that this transition may not be as evident, which is why >>>> this sentence was added by the Task Force. >>>> >>>> Brent and Adina, how do you feel about this suggestion? >>>> >>>> James, how strongly do you feel about it? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Shadi >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/ >>>> Activity Lead, WAI International Program Office >>>> W3C Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) >>>> >> >> -- >> Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/ >> Activity Lead, WAI International Program Office >> W3C Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) >> -- Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/ Activity Lead, WAI International Program Office W3C Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
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