Minutes: UAWG telecon 28 March 2013

from: http://www.w3.org/2013/03/28-ua-minutes.html
- DRAFT - User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference 28
Mar 2013

See also: IRC log http://www.w3.org/2013/03/28-ua-irc
<http://www.w3.org/2013/03/28-ua-irc>
Attendees
PresentRegretsChairKellyFord, JimAllanScribeallanj
Contents

   - Topics <http://www.w3.org/2013/03/28-ua-minutes.html#agenda>
      1. Conformance for
Platform<http://www.w3.org/2013/03/28-ua-minutes.html#item01>
   - Summary of Action
Items<http://www.w3.org/2013/03/28-ua-minutes.html#ActionSummary>

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<trackbot> Date: 28 March 2013

<kford> I'll be a bit slow on irc, using the web client.

<scribe> scribe: allanj

open item 2

Proposal to remove 2.12.13

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2013JanMar/0091.html

js: reviewing 2.12. 2.12.1 pointing device for input of text, level A.

2.12.2 pointing for navigation, level AA, which include Level A from 2.12.1

2.12.3 is combining 1 & 2 , seems redundant

jr: confusing, seems to be a platform support issue
... if platform supports any input method...keyboard, pointing device,
perhaps gesture

<Greg> Here's the complete text of all three:

<Greg> 2.12.1 Support Platform Text Input Devices: If the platform supports
text input using an input device, the user agent is compatible with this
functionality. (Level A)

<Greg> 2.12.2 Operation With Any Device: If an input device is supported by
the platform , all user agent functionality other than text input can be
operated using that device. (Level AA)

<Greg> 2.12.3 Text Input With Any Device: If an input device is supported
by the platform , all user agent functionality including text input can be
operated using that device. (Level AAA)

kp: gesture is subset of touch
... voice is several ways, keyboard shortcuts

kf: can you issue a touch with voice, drag in from right edge

kp: yes, but say it a different way.
... can change wording to make it functional

jr: there is some platform service that converts voice to some screen action

kf: there are 3 device input handlers - keyboard, pointer, touch

jr: but not 4
... perhaps collapse 2.12 to use platform input handlers.

kf: don't want UA to write this, want to use platform services

kp: does 1 & 2 negate need for 3

ja: yes

jr: is there a way to simplify. 2.12 is hard to read & understand
... says even text input can be done with a mouse

gl: if platform doesn't have onscreen keyboard, then the UA can add one per
2.12.3
... if device has no keyboard, then 2.12.1 is NA, but if provides onscreen
keyboard, then can say YES to 2.12.3
... they are similar enough to be confusing.

EDITORS will smith this.

gl: summary would be a good place to cover explanation, and it needs
rewritten. current summary not adequate.
... put on survey?

close item 2

open item 1

https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20130225/results
Conformance for Platform

https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20130321/

Proposal: Proposed

Platform: Include the name, manufacturer, and version information of
operating system, operating environment, and/or application on which the
user agent is being hosted. (Example platforms could include Microsoft
Windows an operating system, Gnome and the Java Runtime Environment as
operating environments, Eclipse as a hosting IDE, Mozilla Firefox for OS X
as a hosting web browser, and...
... Samsung's version of Google Android for the Galaxy S III as a
combination of customized operating system and hardware. All would include
specific version numbers or ranges.) Include any required configuration
changes to the platform (e.g.a web-based browser will conform when run on
Firefox with the Mouseless Browsing extension) and any relevant hardware
limitations (e.g. minimum screen...
... size, audio output).

reword from Jan:

Platform: Provide relevant information regarding the software and/or
hardware platform(s) on which the user agent depends for conformance. This
information may include:

- hardware limitations (e.g., audio output enabled, minimum screen size: 2")

- operating system(s) (e.g., Windows 8, Android 4.0+, iOS 5.0+, GNOME 2)

- other software environment (Java SE 7+, Eclipse 3.7+)

- "host" web browser - relevant when the conforming user agent is web-based
(e.g., Firefox 14+, Safari 7.0+)

proposal from Eric:

Required Components of UAAG 2.0 Conformance Claims (normative)

Each component is required unless explicitly cited as “optional.”

1. Claimant name and affiliation.

2. Claimant contact information

3. Date of the claim.

4. Conformance level satisfied (level A, AA, or AAA)..

5. User agent information: Provide the name of the user agent and
sufficient additional information to specify the version (e.g. vendor name,
version number or version range, required patches or updates, human
language of the user interface or documentation).

Note 1: If the user agent is a collection of software components (e.g. a
browser and extensions or plugins), then the name and version information
must be provided separately for each component, although the conformance
claim will treat them as a whole.

6. Platform: Describe the *platform*

(software and hardware) on which the user agent depends for conformance.
Include the name, manufacturer, and version of key software components
(e.g., operating system, operating environment) as well as hostedkey
hardware components or limitations (e.g., minimum screen size: 2-inch
diagonal[Do we need to state an aspect ratio?], audio output device, [What
about input devices?]). Also...

scribe: describe any required configuration changes to the platform.[It is
possible that some local configuration requirements may be best documented
in the declarations]

7. Range of web content technologies rendered [By the way, do they actually
have to be “web” content technologies. Do we need to specify web?]

a. Web content technologies rendered. Identify all web content technologies
the rendering of which is relied upon to meet the claimed conformance level.

By including a web content technology, the claimant is claiming that the
user agent meets the requirements of UAAG 2.0 (at the claimed level) during
the rendering of web content using that web content technology.

Note: Web content technologies may be a combination of constituent web
content technologies. For example, an image technology (e.g. PNG) might be
listed together with a markup technology (e.g. HTML) since web content in
the markup technology is used make web content in the image technology.

1. b. Content technologies not relied upon (optional). Identify one or more
web content technologies that are not relied upon to meet the claimed
conformance level. The user agent is not required to meet the requirements
of UAAG 2.0 in the rendering web content technologies on this list.

8. Declarations: Provide, for each success criterion, : a declaration of
either (a) whether or not the success criterion has been satisfied;, or (b)
a declaration that the success criterion is not applicable and a rationale
for why not.

Glossary entry:

platform

1. In the context of this document [or the conformance section of this
document], this refers to the software and hardware on which the user agent
operates. [Or “in which the user agent is hosted”]. Examples of key
software components of a software platform ordinarily might include

a. operating system(s) (e.g., Windows, Android, iOS) [??GNOME]

b. other operating environment (Java SE, Eclipse)

c. host web browser (relevant when the conforming user agent is web-based
(e.g., Firefox, Safari)

[Should a platform be able to include software AT?)]

[Other possible materials to include: Microsoft Windows an operating
system, Gnome and the Java Runtime Environment as operating environments,
Eclipse as a hosting IDE, Mozilla Firefox for OS X as a hosting web
browser, and Samsung's version of Google Android for the Galaxy S III as a
combination of customized operating system and hardware. All would include
specific version numbers or ranges.”]

Examples of platform hardware might be:

a. operating-system-computers (e.g., Windows 8 compatible laptops, etc).

b. [Should a platform be able to include hardware AT?)]

2. More generally [Any other meaning of platform ]

[Comments on current 22 March 2013 version of glossary entry for “platform”:

platform

software and hardware environment(s) within which the user agent operates.
Platforms provide a consistent operational environment. There may be layers
of software in a hardware architecture and that each layer may be
considered a platform. *Non-web-based* platforms include desktop operating
systems (e.g. Linux, MacOS, Windows, etc.), mobile operating systems (e.g.
Android, Blackberry, iOS,...

scribe: Windows Phone, etc.), and cross-OS environments (e.g. Java).
*Web-based* platforms are other user agents . User agents may employ
server-based processing, such as web content transformations,
text-to-speech production, etc.

Note 1: A user agent may include functionality hosted on multiple platforms
(e.g. a browser running on the desktop may include server-based
pre-processing and web-based documentation).

Note 2: Accessibility guidelines for developers exist for many platforms

eh: tried to move some of the detail out of conformance claim and into def
of Platform
... what are the platform(s) that you are making the claim about...then ask
what you tested on

<Jan> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2013JanMar/0087.html

eric proposal
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2013JanMar/0094.html

If the user agent is a collection of software components that have
different version numbers (e.g. a browser and extensions or plugins), then
the name and version information must be provided separately for each
component, although the conformance claim will treat them as a whole.

gl: mouseless browsing is a modification to the UA not the platform

<Greg> The Mouseless Browsing add-in would be listed in 5 for
platform-based user agents (because it's an add-in for the user agent for
which the claim is written), or in 6 for web-based user agent (because it's
an add-in for the browser hosting the user agent).

<Greg> I'd add a new paragraph between 5 and 6 which would be about
configuration changes to the user agent, including add-ins and non-default
preference settings.

<Greg> That would be in contrast to the sentence in 6 about configuration
changes to the platform on which the user agent is hosted.

eh: configuration changes to the local UA not the Platform. perhaps should
be on an SC

gl: would not want may cause conflicts.

<jeanne> User agent information: Provide the name of the user agent and
sufficient additional information to specify the version (e.g. vendor name,
version number or version range, required patches or updates, human
language of the user interface or documentation).

<jeanne> Note: If the user agent is a collection of software components
that have different version numbers (e.g. a browser and extensions or
plugins), then the name and version information must be provided separately
for each component, although the conformance claim will treat them as a
whole.

5. User agent information:

a. name

b. version number or version range,

c. required patches or updates, human language of the user interface or
documentation).

d. hardware limitations (e.g., audio output enabled, minimum screen size:
2")

e. operating system(s) (e.g., Windows 8, Android 4.0+, iOS 5.0+, GNOME 2)

f. other software environment (Java SE 7+, Eclipse 3.7+)

g. "host" web browser - relevant when the conforming user agent is
web-based (e.g., Firefox 14+, Safari 7.0+)

h. Include any required configuration changes to the user agent (e.g.
ignore author forground/background color)

<scribe> new...

5. User agent information:

a. name

b. version number or version range,

c. required patches or updates, human language of the user interface or
documentation).

d. Include any required configuration changes to the user agent (e.g.
ignore author foreground/background color)

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5. User agent information:

a. name and manufacturer

b. version number or version range,

c. required patches or updates, human language of the user interface or
documentation).

d. Include any required configuration changes to the user agent (e.g.
ignore author forground/background color)

e. required plugins or extensions with versions (e.g., mouseless browsing)

6. Platform: Describe the *platform* (software and hardware) on which the
user agent depends for conformance.

a. name and manufacturer

b. version of key software components (e.g., operating system, operating
environment)

c. key hardware components or limitations (e.g., minimum screen size:
2-inch diagonal, audio output device).

d. any required configuration changes to the platform (e.g., turn on sticky
keys)

e. operating system(s) (e.g., Windows 8, Android 4.0+, iOS 5.0+, GNOME 2)

f. other software environment (Java SE 7+, Eclipse 3.7+)

g. "host" web browser - relevant when the conforming user agent is
web-based (e.g., Firefox 14+, Safari 7.0+)

gl: 3rd party add ons should be a separate list item

js: lets just go with this...

jr: the claimant should list required add-on and versions

all agree this is ok!!!!!!!!!
 Summary of Action Items [End of minutes]
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