- From: Simon Harper <simon.harper@manchester.ac.uk>
- Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:42:38 +0000
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User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
11 Mar 2010
HTML Minutes: http://www.w3.org/2010/03/11-ua-minutes.html
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010JanMar/0110.html
IRC log: http://www.w3.org/2010/03/11-ua-irc
Attendees
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: AllanJ on Make Greg's changes to 3.4.1 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/03/11-ua-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Greg to rewrite the new 5.1.x [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/03/11-ua-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeanne to 'add link to ERT to Resources for 3.4.1'
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/11-ua-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeanne to 'remove the word enabled from 3.4.2' [recorded
in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/11-ua-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: jeanne to make Greg's changes to 3.4.1 from
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100302/results#xq8 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/03/11-ua-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeanne to Make member:Greg's changes to 3.4.1 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/03/11-ua-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeanne to Move 3.3.3 to 5.1.x [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/03/11-ua-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeanne to update 3.4.2 with the results from the survey
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100302/ from Kim, Greg and Jim.
Jim has a complete example in the minutes. [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/03/11-ua-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeanne to update document with above discussion of 3.5.1
and the editorial items from the Survey
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100302/results#xq10 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/03/11-ua-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: member:AllanJ on Make member:Greg's changes to 3.4.1
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/11-ua-minutes.html#action04]
Present
[Microsoft], AllanJ, Greg, sharper, KimPatch, Jeanne, Harper_Simon,
Allan_James, Ford_Kelly, Lowney_Greg, Patch_Kim, Spellman_Jeanne
Regrets
Hakkinen_Mark, Mark_H
Chair
Jim_Allan, Kelly_Ford
Scribe
Sharper, Harper_Simon, kford
Contents
* Topics
1. Daylight saving time
2. Publishing
3. F2F November 1-5 Lyon, France
4. Discuss survey http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100302/
5. charter
6. Discuss Draft Charter
7. Discuss survey http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100302/
8. Proposal for 3.3.7
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100302/results#xq7
9. Proposal for 3.4.1
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100302/results#xq8
10. Proposal for 3.4.2
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100302/results#xq9
11. Proposal for 3.5.1
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100302/results#xq10
* Summary of Action Items
<trackbot> Date: 11 March 2010
<AllanJ> scribe: Sharper
trackbot, start meeting
<scribe> chair: Ford_Kelly, Allan_James
<trackbot> Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group
Teleconference
<trackbot> Date: 11 March 2010
<scribe> scribe: Harper_Simon
<scribe> ScribeNick: sharper
This weeks Survey http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100302/
Please monitor your open Action Items:
http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/open
Open Issues: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/open
Current editors draft: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-UAAG20-20100308/
Current Techniques Document:
http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-IMPLEMENTING-UAAG20-20100308/
Daylight saving time
resolved: DST starts in the USA next week - Harmonisation with UK by
28th March
Publishing
RESOLUTION: Congratulations to everyone - well done all and Jeanne
especially for the editing job.
F2F November 1-5 Lyon, France
JA: who can attend if we have one?
SH: I could make it possibly
GL: Possibly
JS: I'll probably be going
KF: Not sure yet
KP: not sure either
JA: Not sure either
... deadlines JS: next couple of weeks
... sounding like not...
... Lets come back to this in couple of weeks
RESOLUTION: Lets come back to this in couple of weeks (Deadline: April
16th to decide)
Discuss survey http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100302/
charter
<AllanJ> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/draft_uawg_charter_08mar10.html
Discuss Draft Charter
Location: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/draft_uawg_charter_08mar10.html
General Discussion Regarding Charter
JS: Any objections to it
KF: Can it be amended?
JS: Can be changed in 3 years when we renew.
<AllanJ> The mission of the User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working
Group (UAWG), part of the WAI Technical Activity, is to produce
guidelines for the development of accessible user agents (e.g.,
browsers, media players, etc.) and their interoperability with assistive
technology. A user agent is software that retrieves and renders Web
content, including text, graphics, sounds, video, images, etc.
RESOLUTION: Change first sentence as per JA above - then approved.
... Approved regardless, change first sentence if possible.
Discuss survey http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100302/
Proposal for 3.3.7 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100302/results#xq7
GL: Now 3.3.3
JA: Thoughts?
GL: Not really relationships
JA: Agrees?
No-one wishes to keep it in 3.3.3?
JA: 3.5.1?
All: Agrees
SH: Scratch that 3.5.1 - 5.1
RESOLUTION: 5.1 is agreed
<scribe> ACTION: Jeanne to Move 3.3.3 to 5.1.x [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/03/11-ua-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-330 - Move 3.3.3 to 5.1.x [on Jeanne Spellman
- due 2010-03-18].
<scribe> ACTION: Greg to rewrite the new 5.1.x [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/03/11-ua-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-331 - Rewrite the new 5.1.x [on Greg Lowney -
due 2010-03-18].
RESOLUTION: Actions created
Proposal for 3.4.1 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100302/results#xq8
<kford> Adding seems fine to me.
JA: Gregs changes seem fine? Agree
<scribe> ACTION: AllanJ on Make Greg's changes to 3.4.1 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/03/11-ua-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - AllanJ
<scribe> ACTION: member:AllanJ on Make member:Greg's changes to 3.4.1
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/11-ua-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Sorry, bad ACTION syntax
<AllanJ> > ACTION: jAllan to Make Greg's changes to 3.4.1
<scribe> ACTION: Jeanne to Make member:Greg's changes to 3.4.1 [recorded
in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/11-ua-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-332 - Make member:Greg's changes to 3.4.1 [on
Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-03-18].
<jeanne> ACTION: jeanne to make Greg's changes to 3.4.1 from
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100302/results#xq8 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/03/11-ua-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-333 - Make Greg's changes to 3.4.1 from
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100302/results#xq8 [on Jeanne
Spellman - due 2010-03-18].
<kford> Scribe: kford
<scribe> Scribe: SHarper
<jeanne> close action-332
<trackbot> ACTION-332 Make member:Greg's changes to 3.4.1 closed
<scribe> scribe: sharper
Discussion re PL's comments
GL: sounds like when it's not require the UA should still do repair -
should be under 3.4.2 or some such based on the kind of rep[air
... could say supported by teh technology spec.
... wordsmithing on the fly
<Greg> Could replace "required" by "supported", but don't want to make
it so broad that UA is required to craft longdesc for every image.
<AllanJ> add link to ERT to Resources for 3.4.1
GL: maybe too broad for Level A if required
<scribe> ACTION: Jeanne to 'add link to ERT to Resources for 3.4.1'
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/11-ua-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-334 - 'add link to ERT to Resources for 3.4.1'
[on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-03-18].
<Greg> In discussion, we find that "repair text" is defined so it is
only applicable where alt content is required (not just supported).
RESOLUTION: Lets wait for PL to elaborate
Proposal for 3.4.2 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100302/results#xq9
<kford> /me I need to step out for one second
General discussion as to the meaning of 'enabled elements'
GL: Scoping the possible miss-interpretations
<Greg> E.g. if there's a graphical button which is currently disabled,
the user can still benefit from finding out info about it. That argues
for not limiting this to enabled elements.
GL: proposes remove the 'for enabled elements'
<kford> /me apologies and I'm back
KP +1
KF +1
SH +1
JA: +1
JS +1
<scribe> ACTION: Jeanne to 'remove the word enabled from 3.4.2'
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/11-ua-minutes.html#action08]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-335 - 'remove the word enabled from 3.4.2' [on
Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-03-18].
JA: could be generalized for all users. right click on an image to get a
context menu, then choose properties to get available information about
the image without have to find the image in the source code.
<AllanJ> add an example. A user wanting addional information on an image
could right click on an image to get a context menu, then choose
properties to get available information about the image without have to
find the image in the source code.
<jeanne> ACTION: Jeanne to update 3.4.2 with the results from the survey
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100302/ from Kim, Greg and Jim.
Jim has a complete example in the minutes. [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/03/11-ua-minutes.html#action09]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-336 - Update 3.4.2 with the results from the
survey http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100302/ from Kim, Greg and
Jim. Jim has a complete example in the minutes. [on Jeanne Spellman -
due 2010-03-18].
RESOLUTION: Accept JA changes + KP edits + GL Minor Changes (all from
survey) + remove enabled.
Proposal for 3.5.1 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100302/results#xq10
KP: Minor wording changes
GL: As written it doesn't make clear that these four classes must be
highlighted in distinct ways. If, for example, a user agent highlighted
selected text, visited links, and unvisited links identically, it would
comply with the letter but not the intent of the criterion. Perhaps
instead of "highlight" it could read "visually distinguish" or
"highlight...so that each is uniquely distinguished, within the limits
of the output technology". The last caveat is need
for cases such as pure text browsers, which may only have one or two
methods of highlighting text. Add this discussion to the Intent section
as well.
GL: Also, 3 minor changes
KP: should look at the document for highlight and visually distinguish
<Greg> "3.5.1 Highlighted items: The user has the option to highlight
the following classes of information so that each is uniquely
distinguished, within the limits of the output technology (Level A)"
<Greg> We may be able to leave off the "within the limits of the output
technology" if we agree, for example, that a purely text browser can use
characters like *, **, and _ to highlight ranges of text.
<AllanJ> proposed: 3.5.1 Highlighted items: The user has the option to
highlight the following classes of information so that each is uniquely
distinguished.
JA: Objections?
All: None.
<jeanne> ACTION: Jeanne to update document with above discussion of
3.5.1 and the editorial items from the Survey
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100302/results#xq10 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/03/11-ua-minutes.html#action10]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-337 - Update document with above discussion of
3.5.1 and the editorial items from the Survey
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100302/results#xq10 [on Jeanne
Spellman - due 2010-03-18].
RESOLUTION: return to 3.5.2 + other items from the survey.
[End of minutes]
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