- From: Simon Harper <simon.harper@manchester.ac.uk>
- Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:39:11 +0100
- To: UAWG list <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
HTML: http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua-minutes.html IRC: http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua-irc AGENDA: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2009JulSep/ 0050.html Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: ddavidts to review HTML5 section 3 and 4 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua-minutes.html#action05] [NEW] ACTION: sharper to back 4.6 and address the questions and comments of the survey results http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/47/ results [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua- minutes.html#action07] User Agent Working Group Telecon - 20 Aug 2009 20 Aug 2009 Agenda See also: IRC log Attendees Present Allan_James_(JA-AllanJ), Spellman_Jeanne_(JS-jeanne), Patch_Kim_(KP- KimPatch), Lowney_Greg_(GL-Greg), Tseng_David_(DT-David), Hakkinen_Mark, (MH-mth) Regrets Ford_Kelly_(KF-KFord), Richards_Jan_(JR), Swan_Henny_(HS-Henny) Chair Jim_Allan Scribe Harper_Simon Contents Topics Logistics (Regrets, agenda requests, comments)? Face 2 Face Call Duration HTML 5 and UAAG review - http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html Review Survey http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/47/ Summary of Action Items <AllanJ> title: UAWG telecon <David> I'm in as well <jeanne> http://time.gov/ <jeanne> 13:09 Logistics (Regrets, agenda requests, comments)? Face 2 Face JA: Various F2F locations in discussion JS: TPAC - we can have a spot if we want it - thursday / friday ... 5th / 6th November JA: Domain Working Group - possibility of video workshop ... Thoughts? ... $50 registration fee / who can make it? David +1 Jeanne +1 Kim +1 Simon -1 Jim +1(?) Kelly +1 (?) Greg: can attend first day Mark +1 <AllanJ> www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/ RESOLUTION: JS to send email - TPAC confirmed for Face2Face in Santa Clara - 5th / 6th November 2009 ( www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/ ) Call Duration JS: should we cut the call duration from 90 to 60 minutes JS orig request from JR AJ: Leave at 90, JS can drop off if need be, can finish early if required. RESOLUTION: Leave at 90 but finish early id there are no pressing matters. HTML 5 and UAAG review - http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html JA: WAI-CG is looking for broad strokes ... But may be nuance, and a moving target ... Canvas concept of fallback concept - not a good mechanism for this. ... really html5 spec is also about building the UA JS: need to get out point of view across before its too late as html5 is now moving very fast. ... get a lot fast / as opposed to detail in 2 months ... only 2 more weeks to get this done - our part is required as fast as possible - to PF <scribe> scribe: Harper_Simon <scribe> ScribeNick: sharper JA: As we find more html5 issues send them to the list. RESOLUTION: As we find more html5 issues send them to the list. We only have 1 week or so. Open Issues - http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/open Open Action Items - http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/open ACTIONS start at 213 JA: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/213 HS: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/214 KF: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/215 MH: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/216 <AllanJ> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/open KP: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/218 JA: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/220 SH: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/217 ... http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/219 JA: GL will pick http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2009JulSep/0035.html JA: DT to take the DOM and elements sections both section 3 and 4 with overlaps <AllanJ> ACTION: DT to review HTML5 section 3 and 4 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - DT <AllanJ> ACTION: Davit_Tseng to review HTML5 section 3 and 4 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua-minutes.html#action02] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Davit_Tseng <AllanJ> ACTION: David Tseng to review HTML5 section 3 and 4 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua-minutes.html#action03] <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - David <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ddavidts, dpoehlma) <AllanJ> ACTION: DTseng to review HTML5 section 3 and 4 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua-minutes.html#action04] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - DTseng <David> ddavidts <AllanJ> ACTION: ddavidts to review HTML5 section 3 and 4 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua-minutes.html#action05] <trackbot> Created ACTION-221 - Review HTML5 section 3 and 4 [on David Tseng David Tseng - due 2009-08-27]. RESOLUTION: PLEASE COMPLETE THE HTML5 ACTIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE - CAN BE CLEANED UP BY JA AND WAI-WG. Review Survey http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/47/ <AllanJ> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/47/results 4.6 Searching suggests something we do over many documents - find is some thing we do inside a document - although I realize find is what we do to action the searching. Changing "search" to "find" for GL 4.6 title and all success criteria in GL 4.6 <AllanJ> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/47/results#x11 2 accepts - 4 neutral - comments needs to wordsmith to accept. Find in Media GL 4.6 is about text content - but does this mean captions in multimedia - and if so is it the player or the browsers responsibility to offer this functionality? 3 yes 2 depends http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/47/results#x81 GL: functionality required, but can it be done / what does this already? KP: like some word processors GL: How does this stuff already work? ... would it be accurate to say we do want the ability, need to research how it is done today - to know if it is acceptable to make it a requirement. <AllanJ> SH: what if captions are there but hidden by css or javascript, such as expand/contract elements <AllanJ> is this a technique or do we need a success criteria ISSUE: We do want the ability, need to research how it is done today - to know if it is acceptable to make it a requirement. <trackbot> Created ISSUE-40 - We do want the ability, need to research how it is done today - to know if it is acceptable to make it a requirement. ; please complete additional details at http:// www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/40/edit . <AllanJ> ISSUE: We do want the ability, need to research how it is done today - to know if search of alternative, embedded, or plugin content is acceptable to make it a requirement. <trackbot> Created ISSUE-41 - We do want the ability, need to research how it is done today - to know if search of alternative, embedded, or plugin content is acceptable to make it a requirement. ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/ tracker/issues/41/edit . <AllanJ> SH: if something consumes input, but the UA and AT know nothing about it then it is a UA http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/47/results#x82 What if no find function? If search / find is not included in the UA functionality - does a UA need to add it specifically to meet our guidelines? 5 yes / 2 depends GL: Answered by the answer to http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/47/ results#x83 4.6.1 Search Rendered Content 4.6.1 Search Content: The user can perform a search within rendered content (e.g., not hidden with a style) for text and text alternatives for a sequence of characters from the document character set. (Level A) <AllanJ> SH: remove 'rendered' and 'not hidden' so search will find captions, hidden content, anything in the dom <AllanJ> ...and if you find, how do you get to hidden content. <AllanJ> GL: proposal - user option to search only rendered text or include alternative content (alt, titles, caption, etc.) <AllanJ> GL: searching text and text alternatives within rendered elements. <AllanJ> SH: hidden content is a problem. <AllanJ> GL: provide scenario of where searching hidden content is a problem. <AllanJ> SH: expands GL proposal on search options (advanced search) <AllanJ> GL: searching hidden content is more usability than accessibility <AllanJ> KP: find is really useful for speech users <scribe> ACTION: SH to back 4.6 and address the questions and comments of the survey results http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/47/ results [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua- minutes.html#action06] <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - SH <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. sharper, shayes) <scribe> ACTION: sharper to back 4.6 and address the questions and comments of the survey results http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/47/ results [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua- minutes.html#action07] <trackbot> Created ACTION-222 - Back 4.6 and address the questions and comments of the survey results http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/ 36791/47/results [on Simon Harper - due 2009-08-27]. Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: David Tseng to review HTML5 section 3 and 4 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua-minutes.html#action03] [NEW] ACTION: Davit_Tseng to review HTML5 section 3 and 4 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua-minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: ddavidts to review HTML5 section 3 and 4 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua-minutes.html#action05] [NEW] ACTION: DT to review HTML5 section 3 and 4 [recorded in http:// www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua-minutes.html#action01] [NEW] ACTION: DTseng to review HTML5 section 3 and 4 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua-minutes.html#action04] [NEW] ACTION: SH to back 4.6 and address the questions and comments of the survey results http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/47/results [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua-minutes.html#action06] [NEW] ACTION: sharper to back 4.6 and address the questions and comments of the survey results http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/47/ results [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua- minutes.html#action07] [End of minutes]
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