- From: Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:38:06 -0500
- To: w3c-wai-ua@w3.org
11 January 2001 UA Guidelines Teleconference
Agenda:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2001JanMar/0073.html
Minutes of previous meeting 9 January:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2001JanMar/0071.html
Next meeting: 18 January 2001
Present:
Jon Gunderson, Ian Jacobs (scribe), Eric Hansen,
Gregory Rosmaita, David Poehlman, Mickey Quenzer,
Rich Schwerdtfeger
Regrets:
Harvey Bingham, Jim Allan, Kitch Barnicle,
Absent:
Charles McCathieNevile, Tim Lacy, Denis Anson
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DISCUSSION
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1.Looking for a UA representative at coordination group meeting on
27
February at all working group meeting in Boston
2.Update on joint meetings at all working group meeting
JG: I've started scheduling requests to Voice. They aren't
meeting at the plenary session. So we may meet with them
on a teleconference. I think that IJ and I and Al Gilman
should talk to the Chair of that WG to start communication.
JG: I haven't heard back from the Mobile group.
Action JG: Talk to Al Gilman at the next WAI CG meeting
about a joint meeting with UA, PF, and Voice WG (or
participants) to discuss accessibility issues.
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ISSUES
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/* First, there was discussion of issue 376 */
Resolved to accept the following four proposals:
Proposal for resolving issue 357:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2001JanMar/0019
Proposal for resolving issue 384:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2001JanMar/0032
Proposal for resolving issue 392:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2001JanMar/0042
Proposal for resolving issue 420:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000OctDec/0458
AND: Leave highlighting of fee links a P2.
RS: We should state in the techniques that this is implemented
in existing plug-ins.
MQ: Sounds good to me.
GR: I think this is a good thing, too.
IJ: Should prompting be P1? Note that form submission is P2.
DP: I would reconsider prompting before payment requirement as
P1 instead. People with disabilities have an increased ability
to inadvertently activate this link.
IJ: I recommend that we leave this as a P2 since:
a) Already implemented correctly.
b) Not widely deployed
c) Late in our process.
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Issue #436: Checkpoint 5.3: Please provide examples
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http://server.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear-lc2.html#436
Resolved: Editorial.
RS: I think he means "what markup languages". You can get at
embedded Flash through the DOM.
IJ: Two axes:
- Which markup languages?
- Which APIs?
Action IJ: Put info about MSAA and JAVAAPI in 5.3 techniques.
Add TeX, RTF, PDF, Postscript (Flash?), Word, Excel
RS: In the case of java, you have the java bindings for the DOM.
I think that Adobe is supposed to be making their PDF viewer
use MSAA for access to content.
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Issue #437: Checkpoint 5.7: Increase priority from P3 to P2
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http://server.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear-lc2.html#437
RS: CSS2 DOM doesn't let you add a style sheet. The API basically
allows you to get a style sheets for the document.
RS: I have no problem with raising this priority to a P2.
JG:
- Reviewer has requested raising to P2
- Several WG participants have requested this be raised to P2.
- There seems to be developer support for raising to P2.
- We have information about two conforming DOM 2 style
implementations (not sure whether UAs.)
Resolved: Raise checkpoint 5.7 to a P2 checkpoint.
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Issue #438: Checkpoint 7.3: For some devices, is direct navigation of
active elements sufficient?
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http://server.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear-lc2.html#438
IJ: Another question: is it useful to have the sequential
min requirement for a pointing device?
JG: I think it is: A user with limited range of motion may
use the mouse effectively with a small area of the screen, and
that next/previous functionalities would be useful. Also,
one reason we required the ability to move graphical controls
in the tool bar was for users with limited range of motion
(similar scenarios). In short, some users with physical disabilities
may benefit from this min requirement for the mouse.
Resolved:
- Add to the conformance section a
clarification that one implication of checkpoint 1.1
is that you don't have to satisfy some of the checkpoints
for input modalities for which you don't claim conformance.
Possibly list checkpoints that make input requirements
(including input device config requirements of G9).
- No change to checkpoint 7.3 based on JG comments about
users with physical disabilities.
Action:
- Add this statement to the document. Also add a recommendation
that even if the UA doesn't claim conformance for a certain
modality, that they should still implement as many functionalities
as they can through those devices.
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Issue #439: Checkpoint 7.3: Add technique of directional navigation
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http://server.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear-lc2.html#439
JG: I think that this is the WebTV interface. Directional navigation
is navigation based on graphical (2d) layout, not document order.
Resolved: Technique seems reasonable.
Action IJ: Add to directional navigation to techniques document.
Action JG: Send a screen shot of WebTV and directional navigation
controls.
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Issue #440: Checkpoint 7.5: Should min reqs be moved to techniques?
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http://server.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear-lc2.html#440
Resolved: No change to the document. These are functional
requirements.
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Issue #441: New requirement (part of 8.5): Add information about the
resource being at the same or a different domain.
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http://server.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear-lc2.html#441
Resolved: No change. Already part of the document!
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Issue #442: Checkpoint 9.4: Does this include default mouse click
behavior?
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http://server.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear-lc2.html#442
DP: ICQ does this.
Action DP: Send information about tools that allow mouse binding
reconfiguration.
Resolved:
- If you don't claim conformance for the mouse, then mouse
reconfig is not required.
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10.Issue #443: Checkpoint 1.4: Device independent access to pointer
(mouse) specific events
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http://server.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear-lc2.html#443
JG:
- Currently, because 1.4 says device-independent activation of
active elements, emulation by keyboard of mouse-specific
events is implied. [Thus, the answer to the reviewer's question
is: this is already a requirement.]
- However, we need to consider implementations and also
the actual user experience and we may decide to not
require emulation and in that case would call it out
as being excluded from 1.4.
- Event simulation possible with mouse emulators, so could
be part of conformance claim.
Leave this issue open so that we return to it when
we evaluate current support for emulation of device-specific
events.
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ACTION ITEMS
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COMPLETED
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For IJ, refer to list
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2001JanMar/0077.html
JG: Propose a list of things we are expecting UAs to recognize in
scripts.
Assigned: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2000/11/minutes-20001116
Done:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2001JanMar/0080.html
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DROPPED
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21.GR: Talk to Håkon about CSS support.
Assigned:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000OctDec/0237.html
13.IJ: For Issue 431 ask the reviewer (Greg Lowney) to provide an
example of how this would be done, for inclusion in the techniques
document.
JG: Agreed:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2001JanMar/0079.html
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OPEN
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2.IJ, EH, AG: Propose new definitions for terms in question
(equivalence, text element, etc.)
Assigned:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000OctDec/0325.html
3.IJ: Get wording from Martin for this
requirement (e.g., "conform", "implement", etc.) for issue 327
Assigned:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000OctDec/0325.html
11.IJ and EH: to review the definition of "presentation" to possibly
drop URI-dependencies.
Assigned:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2001JanMar/0071.html
12.IJ and EH: Work on definition of "animation" that identifies
"animated image" as a special case. Also talks about script effects,
style
sheets effects, markup languages as being able to create animations.
(Blinking not part of animations...?)
Assigned:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2001JanMar/0071.html
15.JG: Implementation information for guideline 2
17.JG: Schedule face-to-face time with other WGs
(need to contact voice and mobile)
Assigned:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000OctDec/0383.html
18.JG: Propose text for the techniques document about synthesized
speech
implementation issues. Notably UA and AT wanting to use the same
synthesizer engine.
JG: I won't get to this until February.
Assigned:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000OctDec/0383.html
19.JG: Create issue list for things that need to be addressed in the
next version of the document
JG: Pending. I'm developing a new issues list management system.
20.GR: Review checkpoints in Guideline 10 for implementation
experience.
Assigned:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000OctDec/0125.html
22.GR: Talk to AFB about captioning and positioning
GR: This is about repositioning of captions. For techniques.
Assigned:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000OctDec/0383
DEADLINE: 18 January 2001
24.MQ: Send more details about control of speech parameters for the
techniques document based on OpenBook.
Assigned:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000OctDec/0237
MQ: I've had trouble getting OpenBook up and running. I may not have
this done for a few weeks.
23.JA: Review checkpoints in Guideline 4 for implementation
information
Assigned:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000OctDec/0154
25.KB: Submit technique on providing information on current item and
number of items in search
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