- From: Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:46:25 -0400
- To: w3c-wai-ua@w3.org
10 October 2000 UA Guidelines Teleconference Present: Jon Gunderson (Chair) Ian Jacobs (Chair) Tim Lacy Charles McCathieNevile Eric Hansen Gregory Rosmaita Regrets: Kitch Barnicle David Poehlman Absent: Jim Allan Rich Schwerdtfeger Harvey Bingham Mickey Quenzer Next meetings: 12 October. Regrets TL. TL: If you don't here from me by 14 October, I'm ok to go to last call. Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000OctDec/0042.html Minutes of previous meeting 28 September: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000JulSep/0493.html Review Action Items Announcements 1. FTF meeting update and call for participation 16-17 November. Confirmed: JG, IJ, DP, HB, JA (phone), probably someone from Microsoft, probably someone from AOL Regrets: CMN, KB, Lake Rocca, Glen Gordon, Mark Novak Maybe : DA, HR, RS, AG, EH JG: No objections to having the meeting then. CMN: I could make a december meeting. Action JG and IJ: Ensure that we have enough people committed to attend the meeting. IJ put up meeting page. Action TL: Find out whether definitive yes from Microsoft. 2. Taking measures to reduce spam IJ: I requested a change to the mailing list. 3. XHTML 2.0 requirements to PF WG? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000OctDec/0003.html 4.Please review list of invited last call reviewers http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2000/09/reviewers-last-call-2.html Action GR: Request Dolphin review Action TL: Request Microsoft Multimedia group review Discussion 1.Last call scheduling issues IJ: Attempting to go to last call 19 October. GR: I have only gotten a copy of the document since Saturday. I doubt I will have a chance to review the whole thing by Thursday. Resolved: - Delete redundant parts of 10.5 w.r.t. 10.4. GR: Missing from this is a pass-through requirement when conflicts occur. JG: Pass-through is covered by AT. IJ: WCAG and ATAG has committed to last call review. 3.Issue 318: Scaling vector graphics content like SVG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000JulSep/0497.html Status: Looks to complicated to add any new information for this version Refer to thread: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000OctDec/0004.html JG: There are a number of complicated issues, and WCAG has just started to example SVG accessibility. I propose that we do not try to address this in UAAG 1.0. GR: At the Bristol meetings, we discussed SVG techniques and have some UA issues. CMN: I intend to send them to the UA list. I'll be dining with SVG people next week. I don't think we should specifically include new SVG requirements at this stage. However, I think we should go as far as we can in the existing document (techniques in particular). JG: We don't have SVG implementation experience. This makes it harder to "skip" Candidate Rec period. IJ: We don't have any requirement for non-text objects (e.g., lines) outside of what you can do with style sheets. GR: Important to note that alt text needs to be stylable. Problems: control of size, clipping. Resolved: - Do not add additional requirements for SVG to UAAG 1.0. - Mention SVG in note after checkpoint 4.1. JG: Anyone may submit SVG techniques for current checkpoints. EH: I think that it's important to document rationale for this decision, why out of scope. IJ: E.g., 1) We think that this is an important topic, but lack implementation experience. 2) Some requirements are already covered. 3) We haven't considered to date and we want to go to last call without opening a new topic at this point. 4.Issue 319: Adding a GUI label for conformance http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000OctDec/0009.html IJ: I am afraid to use an acronym such as "GUI". GR has said he doesn't want to use "Graphical" as a label. What about "Basic"? JG: Tim, do you think such a label would be useful? TL: I am not sure whether an additional label is useful or not. Resolved: - Add another abbreviation label "Basic": Text, Color, Image, Animation - Adopt corrected lists of checkpoints from Jon 5.Issue 320: Adding a checkpoint on ignoring position markup to support authors in creating content that transforms gracefully http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000OctDec/0008.html IJ: Would "break" HTML specifications, JG: We have implementation experience. CMN: I think that this is an attempted repair functionality. I don't see the argument for making it a checkpoint. JG: Useful for people to test linearization of tables. GR: I would support such a requirement. I'd also suggest that that tables be deprecated in XHTML 2.0 (since presentation only). I think that this is useful for people who don't know about Lynx or who don't know about tablin. IJ, CMN: We disagree with the latter statement. TL: I don't think this functionality belongs in the user agent. CMN: As repair techniques go, this is not a great one. It would make more sense to include a table linearizer. Resolved: Resolved: Since there is not unanimity about such a requirement, and this issue wasn't raised in PR and Last Call, no new requirement. EH: We've had debates about whether linearized table should count as a text equivalent. I think it can be classed as an equivalent of some kind. I think we should include "linearized table" as a class of equivalent for tables. JG: That would be WCAG's responsibility. EH: I'm ok with not saying that it's a text equivalent. But an equivalent of some kind. 6. IJ Proposed for 8.7: Delete "identifying (through a standard interface where available" from 8.7. So it becomes "Provide a mechanism for highlighting the current viewport, selection, and focus." Action IJ: Send to list. Open Action Items 1.GR: Proposed repair checkpoints 2.KB: Submit technique on providing information on current item and number of items in search -- Ian Jacobs (jacobs@w3.org) http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs Tel: +1 831 457-2842 Cell: +1 917 450-8783
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