- From: Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 16:44:33 -0400
- To: w3c-wai-ua@w3.org
Hello, The minutes are online [1] and quoted below. Thanks to Kitch for taking minutes! - Ian [1] http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2000/08/wai-ua-telecon-20000803 -- Ian Jacobs (jacobs@w3.org) http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs Tel: +1 831 457-2842 Cell: +1 917 450-8783 MINUTES: Present: Ian Jacobs (Chair), Kitch Barnicle (Scribe), Harvey Bingham, Dick Brown, Tim Lacy, Eric Hansen, David Poehlman, Mickey Quenzer (briefly), Rich Schwertdfeger. Regrets: Gregory Rosmaita The meeting lasted 90 minutes. Action items Completed * IJ: Add to note on checkpoint 8.1 the important cases that this checkpoint must provide information through the user interface Done in [5]28 July draft. * IJ: Update document with resolutions from 7/13/00 telecon Done in [6]28 July draft. * IJ: Check usage of multi-media in document Partially done in [7]28 July draft . * GR: Re-examine the orientation checkpoints and see whether they can be clarified to account for control of rendering of audio (and possibly other content) on load. * Done by virtue of [8]issue 290 resolution. * HB: [9]Reviewing glossaries of three guidelines * HB: [10]Review note for checkpoint 8.1 [5] http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/WD-UAAG10-20000728/ [6] http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/WD-UAAG10-20000728/ [7] http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/WD-UAAG10-20000728/ [8] http://server.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear.html#290 [9] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000JulSep/0199.html [10] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000JulSep/0205.html Open and New * IJ: Draft a preliminary executive summary/mini-FAQ for developers. (No deadline.) * IJ: Re-propose 8.6 to clarify note (to be informative) that retrieving resources is not required. (Propose leaving size, move note into check point and in techniques talk about "the head method" Add a note that author defined stuff is not definitive. * Tim: Send a list of possible failure modes and reword of 9.4 to include a generalization of failure modes and consider that this may refer to resources that are included recursively. * IJ: In next draft include list of "important" elements for HTML/SVG/SMIL in the techniques document. Discussion Refer to the [11]agenda. [11] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000JulSep/0200.html Review of 28 July Guidelines No comments on [12]28 July Guidelines [12] http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2000/08/WD-UAAG10-20000728/ [13]Issue 298: Inactive elements [13] http://server.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear.html#298 IJ: What happens when an element becomes in active? Proposed adding a statement that at times certain active elements may become in active (ie. not part of tabbing order). Resolved: Definition of active element should include clarification about situations where active elements are inactive. [14]Issue 300: Proposed edits to checkpoints about link information (8.6, 8.7) [14] http://server.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear.html#300 Resolved: Delete checkpoint 8.7 per [15]proposal from Ian. [15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000JulSep/0067.html IJ: resource size requirement may require HTTP request. IJ: propose provide resource size IJ: add a clarification of the meaning of follow a link EH: If a resource has been retrieved wouldn't the browser know the size. IJ: Does IE save that information, size information? TL: would need to check EH: Are we tied to a specific implementation? What about the day when movies are common? IJ: This is a html centric view. EH: Is there some command, a pre-query that could pick up the size . IJ: I believe with http you can do that. IJ: I would be okay not deleting size and clarify it in techniques. Action IJ: Re-propose 8.6 to clarify note (to be informative) that retrieving resources is not required. (Propose leaving size, move note into check point and in techniques talk about "the head method" Add a note that author defined stuff is not definitive. TL: Knowledge base article on how head method is used to test broken links. Open URL call, from DOM [16]Issue 301: Clarification about meaning of checkpoint 8.8 (focus / selection) [16] http://server.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear.html#301 IJ: State clearly that this is about semantics. Resolved: Adopt [17]proposal from Ian. [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000JulSep/0068.html [18]Issue 304: Change percentage back to proportion. [18] http://server.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear.html#304 Resolved: Change back to proportion and indicate in note or techniques that you can use percentage per [19]proposal from Ian. [19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000JulSep/0068.html [20]Issue 305: What is definition of "stalled" [20] http://server.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear.html#305 IJ: How do you define stalled. IT is some kind of TCP/IP error TL: Time out based thing HB: is it presumed that stalled always resumes? TL: in http transfer it fires an "i'm done" there is not much robustness in terms of restarting a connection. To my knowledge http transfers not recoverable. Action Tim: Send a list of possible failure modes and reword of 9.4 to include a generalization of failure modes and consider that this may refer to resources that are included recursively. IJ: what kind of indication is required when some of the referenced resources are not retrieved. There should be some indication that some resources are not available. EJ: if you have a page with movies, should it indicate that the movies are [21]Issue 306: Does requirement for relative position of a viewport include horizontal position? [21] http://server.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear.html#306 Resolved: include horizontal position per [22]proposal from Ian. [22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000JulSep/0068.html [23]Issue 307: General advice about implementation of optional features of a specification. [23] http://server.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear.html#307 IJ: if a spec has an optional feature to it, (ie. a user agent not required to implement) and there is a risk that this feature could pose an accessibility problem. we should say that users should be able to turn off this feature. Add a note to 6.1 Resolved: tell developers to implement features accessibility, or provide a way for users to turn it off optional features if there is a chance that the feature will not be accessible. Refer to [24]original proposal from Ian. [24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000JulSep/0068.html Still on call: Dick, Harvey, Ian, Rich, Kitch [25]Issue 307: For those checkpoints which talk about sets of elements, provide definitive set for html? [25] http://server.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear.html#307 IJ: What are the important elements? If we know what they are for html we should just say it. Sent a list of 16 or so elements. To meet 7.6 need to provide navigation to these elements. RS: What about new standards coming out? IJ: should we be listing these for known mark up? Should this be in guidelines or techniques? RS: Probably should be in techniques IJ: We need to make clear in the guidelines that the list is available. You should be able to know what to do to conform with only the guidelines. If it is a normative list it should be in the guidelines. RS: Include in minimal requirements. IJ: The minimal requirements are no longer separate from the checkpoints. IJ: everyone should review list of important elements Resolved: include definitive list in techniques and link to it from guidelines. Refer to [26]list proposed by Ian. Account for proposed additions in list. [26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000JulSep/0187.html Action IJ: In next draft include this list in the techniques document. _________________________________________________________________ [27]Copyright© 2000 [28]W3C® ([29]MIT, [30]INRIA, [31]Keio), All Rights Reserved. W3C [32]liability, [33]trademark, [34]document use and [35]software licensingrules apply. 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