- From: Eric Velleman <E.Velleman@bartimeus.nl>
- Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 21:50:28 +0200
- To: unagi69@concentric.net
- Cc: w3c-wai-eo@w3.org, w3c-wai-ua@w3.org
Hello, i put a new version of the page up on the internet, same address: www.bartimeus.nl/access/week252000eng.html i made most of the changes you advised and added a nontabular version. Still have to add the ABBR tag to n/a. As to your question: PS: pardon my anglo-centrism, but is there an english version of your site? do you know of a reliable dutch-to-english auto-translator through which i could create a link to your site for english-speakers? Until now we have been very busy making as much information as possible accessible to the Dutch by giving it in Dutch. English is our second priority. And as to translate programs, they mostly do a very lousy job translating from Dutch to English and vv. Kindest regards, Eric Velleman >>> "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <unagi69@concentric.net> 06/20 6:25 >>> aloha, eric! thank you for taking the time to compile such a useful resource... i do have a few comments on the page: 1) in the English version of Opera, the default keystroke for moving from link-to-link is Control+DownArrow to move ahead one link and Control+UpArrow to move back one link -- using the tab key will work, provided that there aren't any forms on the page, as the TAB key is reserved for moving from form control to form control, and initially pressing TAB on a page which contains a form, moves the application cursor/point-of-regard to the first form control... once in "forms mode" repeated tabbing merely cycles one through all of the available form controls, until the user uses the F9 keystroke to remove focus from the form... note that one MUST use the F9 command to escape from forms mode, as Control+UpArrow and Control+DownArrow do not move the point-of-regard/cursor out of the form, as one might expect... 2) in an attempt to define minimal conformance for UAAG checkpoint 10.5 quote Allow the user to configure the user agent so that the user's preferred one-step operations may be activated with a single input command (e.g., key stroke, voice command, etc.). [Priority 2] Note: User agents are not required to provide single command activation of all user agent functionalities at once, only some of them. Furthermore, in some modes of interaction (e.g., when the user is entering text), the number of single commands available will be significantly reduced. This checkpoint is an important special case of checkpoint 10.4. unquote Kitch Barnicle, of the TRACE R&D Center, posted a list of default keybindings for IE, Netscape Navigator and Composer, and Opera to the User Agent Working Group's mailing list... her post is archived at: (long URI warning) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000AprJun/0433.html> and her list of single-stroke command keystroke commands is available at the following (incredibly long) URI: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000AprJun/att-0433/01-single_key.htm> 3) could you please make a non-table-ized version of the keystroke commands available? when accessed via Lynx (version 2.8.3dev.17), the contents of the table read as follows: Functie IE Netscape Opera One page forward Alt+right cursor Alt+right cursor and Alt+] Alt+right cursor One page back Alt+linker cursor Alt+left cursor and Alt+[ Alt+left cursor Top of document Home PgUp Home End of document End PgDn End Home Alt+home Control+H Alt+N +E Open new window Control+N Control+N Control+N Open new page Control+O Control+O Control+O Close window Control+W Control+W Control+W Print Control+P Control+P Control+P Search / Find Control+F - Control+F or F3 Page information - Control+I - Open favorites Control+I - - Edit bookmarks Control+B Control+B - Reload document F5 Control+R F5 or Control+R Reload frame Alt+F5 Control+R Alt+F5 Reload Page Control+F5 Control+R Control+F5 Stop loading Escape Escape Escape Next frame Control+Tab or F6 Control+Tab - Back one frame Control+shift+Tab Control+shift+Tab - Next link Tab Tab Tab Bookmark this page Control+D Control+D Control+T Example on screen F11 - F11 View page source - - F3 View frame source - - Alt+F3 Goto address F6 F2 Enlarge fontsize Control+] Decrease fontsize Control+[ far from the most unintelligible linearized table that i've ever heard, but a definition list as an alternative to the table would be a definite improvement to the overall usability of the page... and there are definite places (such as the enlarge and decrease font size, where it is completely unclear from the linearized version to which browser the keybinding belongs... if building a definition list along the lines: Enlarge Fontsize IE: n/a Netscape: n/a Opera: Control+] (Right Bracket) Decrease Fontsize IE: n/a Netscape: n/a Opera: Control+[ (Left Bracket) (using the ABBR element to title the abbreviation n/a as "not applicable") doesn't appeal to you, could you make the page available via a link that references some form of Tablin, the ER WG's table linearizer, either by server-side script, proxy server, and/or a (clearly demarcated) auto-submission button, more information about which can be found at: <http://www.w3.org/WAI/References/Tablin/> and <http://www.w3.org/WAI/setup/> if you want to know more about Tablin, please ask daniel dardallier, courtesy of the ER-IG mailing list: <w3c-wai-er-ig@w3.org> in order that others might benefit from his expertise, as it is daniel who maintains Tablin i hope you find these comments useful -- if you would like more information, please contact me via the WAI lists, so that we can continue this dialogue in public, where others might have more to contribute... gregory. PS: pardon my anglo-centrism, but is there an english version of your site? do you know of a reliable dutch-to-english auto-translator through which i could create a link to your site for english-speakers? At 05:03 PM 6/16/00 +0200, you wrote: >Hello, > >In the WAI - Education and Outreach Working Group I proposed to put a page >up with keyboard shortcuts for three different browsers. This could make >people aware of problems and possibilities of not using a mouse (for blind >people). The thought was that the shortcuts would differ from country to >country. I think the only way is to know that for sure is to try it. So I >took the liberty of just translating our Dutch page 'surfing without a >mouse' into English. Now Would like to ask you if people from different >countries could have a look at it and see if the named shortcuts work of >not. Please send your comments to me and if you agree I will send a resume >of the reactions back. > >The page is: www.bartimeus.nl/access/week252000eng.html > >For people who like to read Dutch, the address of the Dutch page is: >www.bartimeus.nl/access/week252000.html > >Kindest regards > >Eric Velleman > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >H. Snetselaar >Bartimeus Educational Institute for the Blind and Partially Sighted >Utrechtseweg 84, 3702 AD Zeist, the Netherlands >Tel: +31-(0)30-6982211 or +31(0)30-6982350 >Fax: +31-(0)30-6982347 >E-mail: H.Snetselaar@bartimeus.nl >Website: www.bartimeus.nl >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------------------------ Writing is easy; all you do is sit staring at a blank piece of paper until the drops of blood form on your forehead. -- Gene Fowler ------------------------------------------------ Gregory J. Rosmaita <unagi69@concentric.net> WebMonster and Minister of Propaganda, VICUG NYC <http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/vicug/> ------------------------------------------------
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