- From: Jon Gunderson <jongund@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
- Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:11:53 -0500
- To: Al Gilman <asgilman@iamdigex.net>
- Cc: "'w3c-wai-ua@w3.org'" <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
We have some repair techniques like checkpoint 2.3 about when no alternative equivalent is available. Others can describe repair techniques in the techniques document. Jon At 09:17 AM 4/10/00 -0400, you wrote: >At 10:22 PM 2000-04-09 -0700, Dick Brown wrote: >> >>I have an action item from the ER group: >> >>>> Action DB take issue to UA - should they be considering ERT techniques in >>their guidelines? have they already? include in techniques document? >> >>I don't have strong feelings that User Agents should employ ERT techniques, >>but when the issue came up we agreed UA folks might be interested in hearing >>about it. >> > >AG:: > >The header guessing algorithm from HTML 4 tables is a repair technique that >I believe the UA group has endorsed. > >I wonder what the group's position would be on what a User Agent should do >on processing a stylesheet that contains !important clauses and clearly >identifies itself as CSS1. Should the User Agent 'repair' this to let the >user's !important rule? > >As we move forward to more general flavors of XML, I believe that we will >want to move User Agent functionality to being triggered more by structure >patterns and less by individual marks. > >So the idea that User Agents may properly be engaging in 'repair' is not to >be summarily dismissed, I hope. > >On the other hand, the User Agent Guidelines are in a very stable phase. >Unless someone is aware of a repair that the guidelines have missed, that >ERT has designed, and that is a serious flaw not to include, the action to >take right now would seem to be to say that repair techniques may be cited >in the User Agent Techniques in future and move on. > >As David Poehlman points out, most of the 'repair' agenda was left behind >with the decision to focus on the minimum requirements for the base >platform and defer consideration of AT techniques. > >Al > >>Gregory has some thoughts below. > >> >>Dick Brown >>Program Manager, Web Accessibility >>Microsoft Corp. >>http://www.microsoft.com/enable/ >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Gregory J. Rosmaita [mailto:unagi69@concentric.net] >>Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 11:09 AM >>To: Evaluation & Repair Interest Group >>Cc: Jon Gunderson; Ian Jacobs >>Subject: UA as an ERT tool (was Re: minutes from today's meeting) >> >>aloha, y'all! >>in the minutes from this morning's telecon, it was stated: >>quote: >>DB you can consider UA's testing tools. in the future they may be doing >>more. >>LK the ideal: techniques part of authoring tools and browsers. WL can we >>suggest something to UA for UA's to perform validity checks for the user? >>LK i don't think that has been part of the UA philosophy. >>Action DB take issue to UA - should they be considering ERT techniques in >>their guidelines? have they already? include in techniques document? >>unquote >>the User Agent Working group has consistently taken the stance that User >>Agents are _not_ expected to fix invalid or inaccessible HTML-that >>burden has been placed squarely upon the author's shoulders, and the Web >>Content, Authoring Tool, and ERT documents are all intended to ensure that >>the content that is exposed to the user via a user agent is (a) valid and >>(b) accessible >>that being said, a simple warning, such as that which Lynx issues when it >>encounters invalid HTML >>quote >>Warning! Bad HTML! Use -trace to diagnose >>unquote >> >>would be a beneficial feature for a User Agent, but as far as expecting a >>user agent to perform repairs or even an analysis of the page, isn't >>something that the User Agent Guidelines currently address, nor is it >>something that the WG expects as part of the functionality of a user agent >>qua user agent... >>a user agent that also functions as an editing tool, such as Amaya, however, >>would be required to perform evaluation and repair, but only in editing >>mode... >>finally, Lynx can-by using the -trace command line switch-be used as >>a diagnostic tool-for more info, consult: >>http://www.slcc.edu/lynx/release2-8-2/lynx2-8-2/lynx_help/Lynx_users_guide.h >>tml >>gregory. >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------- >>ACCOUNTABILITY, n. The mother of caution. >>* Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_ >>------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Gregory J. Rosmaita <unagi69@concentric.net> >>Camera Obscura <http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/index.html> >>VICUG NYC <http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/vicug/> >>Read 'Em & Speak <http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/books/> >>------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Jon Gunderson, Ph.D., ATP Coordinator of Assistive Communication and Information Technology Chair, W3C WAI User Agent Working Group Division of Rehabilitation - Education Services College of Applied Life Studies University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign 1207 S. Oak Street, Champaign, IL 61820 Voice: (217) 244-5870 Fax: (217) 333-0248 E-mail: jongund@uiuc.edu WWW: http://www.staff.uiuc.edu/~jongund WWW: http://www.w3.org/wai/ua
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