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Re: netscape keybindings section

From: Gregory J. Rosmaita <unagi69@concentric.net>
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 00:28:01 -0500
Message-Id: <4.1.19991126002417.00b4aea0@pop3.concentric.net>
To: Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
Cc: User Agent Guidelines Emailing List <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
aloha, ian!

all i'm saying is that in any description of the keyboard functionality of a
user agent, we must address keyboard support _for_ the help system...

not drawing any conclusions, nor seeking to sling a wet noodle -- simply
pointing out that the list of keyboard functionalities was -- er, is --

and as for telling netscape, i think i mentioned it when i emailed lake in
response to jon's re-post of her emessage requesting input from the UA WG... 
and i've certainly railed about it ad nauseam on list, so they should (if they
keep tabs on w3c-wai-ua@w3.org) know that it is a major issue..


At 03:04 PM 11/21/99 -0500, you wrote:
>"Gregory J. Rosmaita" wrote:
>> aloha, y'all!
>> it still really bothers me that there is still no mention of the lack of
>> keyboard accessibility (including the inability to close NetHelp via the
>> standard Windows95 keybinding for that action) in the Netscape Navigator
>> Keyboard Shortcuts section of the Techniques document...
>Hi Gregory,
>I'm not sure what action to take based on your comment.
>1) Do you mean that Netscape should be told that their UA is
>not accessible through the keyboard?
>2) Do you mean that inclusion of the NN binding table suggests
>that NN is accessible but it's not?
>3) Do you mean that we should say explicitly in the Techniques
>Document that NN is not accessible?
>I think one is a good idea. Two is a possibility, but I don't
>think necessary. Three I don't agree with.
>If there is an action item to figure out about keyboard access
>to the help system, I'm unaware of it since it's not indicated in 
>the minutes of [1] as an action item.
>[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0331.html
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-USERAGENT-TECHS/tech-document-default-input
>> please refer to my posts on this topic, archived at:
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0231.html
>> and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0232.html
>> i understood, on the basis of jon's post, archived at:
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0237.html
>> that my comments were to be rolled into the Navigator Keyboard Shortcuts
>> section, and that others would investigate keyboard support for NetHelp
>> under Unix and on the Mac, but so far, there has (apparently) been no such
>> action taken...
>I only understand Jon's comment "we need to add functions related to
>help" as a confirmation of the issue.
>What are proposing to add to the techniques?
> - Ian
>> the lack of keyboard support, labels for graphics, and the inability to
>> close the NetHelp window from the keyboard is a major problem with the help
>> system that comes bundled with Navigator, and its current design and lack
>> of functionality violates several checkpoints, and it should be documented
>> as such...
>> please note that this is not an attack on Netscape, but an attempt to
>> illustrate the fact that many applications which feature robust keyboard
>> support for the application's UI, fail to provide similar support for the
>> help system...
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>> Gregory J. Rosmaita <unagi69@concentric.net>
>>    WebMaster and Minister of Propaganda, VICUG NYC
>>         <http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/vicug/index.html>
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>Ian Jacobs (jacobs@w3.org)   http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs
>Tel/Fax:                     +1 212 684-1814
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He that lives on Hope, dies farting
     -- Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1763
Gregory J. Rosmaita <unagi69@concentric.net>
   WebMaster and Minister of Propaganda, VICUG NYC
Received on Friday, 26 November 1999 00:22:56 UTC

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