- From: Gregory J. Rosmaita <unagi69@concentric.net>
- Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 00:28:01 -0500
- To: Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
- Cc: User Agent Guidelines Emailing List <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
aloha, ian! all i'm saying is that in any description of the keyboard functionality of a user agent, we must address keyboard support _for_ the help system... not drawing any conclusions, nor seeking to sling a wet noodle -- simply pointing out that the list of keyboard functionalities was -- er, is -- incomplete... and as for telling netscape, i think i mentioned it when i emailed lake in response to jon's re-post of her emessage requesting input from the UA WG... and i've certainly railed about it ad nauseam on list, so they should (if they keep tabs on w3c-wai-ua@w3.org) know that it is a major issue.. gregory.. At 03:04 PM 11/21/99 -0500, you wrote: >"Gregory J. Rosmaita" wrote: >> >> aloha, y'all! >> >> it still really bothers me that there is still no mention of the lack of >> keyboard accessibility (including the inability to close NetHelp via the >> standard Windows95 keybinding for that action) in the Netscape Navigator >> Keyboard Shortcuts section of the Techniques document... > >Hi Gregory, > >I'm not sure what action to take based on your comment. > >1) Do you mean that Netscape should be told that their UA is >not accessible through the keyboard? > >2) Do you mean that inclusion of the NN binding table suggests >that NN is accessible but it's not? > >3) Do you mean that we should say explicitly in the Techniques >Document that NN is not accessible? > >I think one is a good idea. Two is a possibility, but I don't >think necessary. Three I don't agree with. > >If there is an action item to figure out about keyboard access >to the help system, I'm unaware of it since it's not indicated in >the minutes of [1] as an action item. > >[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0331.html > >> http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-USERAGENT-TECHS/tech-document-default-input >> >> please refer to my posts on this topic, archived at: >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0231.html >> and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0232.html >> >> i understood, on the basis of jon's post, archived at: >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0237.html >> that my comments were to be rolled into the Navigator Keyboard Shortcuts >> section, and that others would investigate keyboard support for NetHelp >> under Unix and on the Mac, but so far, there has (apparently) been no such >> action taken... > >I only understand Jon's comment "we need to add functions related to >help" as a confirmation of the issue. > >What are proposing to add to the techniques? > > - Ian > >> the lack of keyboard support, labels for graphics, and the inability to >> close the NetHelp window from the keyboard is a major problem with the help >> system that comes bundled with Navigator, and its current design and lack >> of functionality violates several checkpoints, and it should be documented >> as such... >> >> please note that this is not an attack on Netscape, but an attempt to >> illustrate the fact that many applications which feature robust keyboard >> support for the application's UI, fail to provide similar support for the >> help system... > >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> Gregory J. Rosmaita <unagi69@concentric.net> >> WebMaster and Minister of Propaganda, VICUG NYC >> <http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/vicug/index.html> >> -------------------------------------------------------- > >-- >Ian Jacobs (jacobs@w3.org) http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs >Tel/Fax: +1 212 684-1814 >Cell: +1 917 450-8783 > -------------------------------------------------------- He that lives on Hope, dies farting -- Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1763 -------------------------------------------------------- Gregory J. Rosmaita <unagi69@concentric.net> WebMaster and Minister of Propaganda, VICUG NYC <http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/vicug/index.html> --------------------------------------------------------
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