- From: <schwer@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:37:07 -0600
- To: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
- cc: Jon Gunderson <jongund@staff.uiuc.edu>, w3c-wai-ua@w3.org
DOM can only be considered as part of a solution for Desktop user agents
for the following reasons:
a. DOM does not provide any information or the emulation of controls for
the other parts of the user interface (i.e. controls, menus, staus lines,
dialpg boxes). This information needs to come from a non-DOM source.
DOM
will never provide information or control about these parts of the user
interface.
b. DOM does not have a defined interoperable interface for use by
external
programs. Some group members say this is not a major issue (including
myself at times), but it is potentially a weak link if user agents
running
on the same plateform use different methods to expose DOM. Assistive
technology would then need to "know" where to look. Also DOM does not
have
any conventions for more simultaneous access to the DOM.
How would DOM resolve manipulation requests from both the user agent and
the assistive technology?
How would the user agent tell the AT that it changed something?
c. The use of DOM would require Assistive Technolgy to sub class the user
agent as a special technology and some assistive technology companies may
find this requirement to restraining as the primary mechanism for
accessibility, escpecially on MS-Windows plateforms that have
accessibility
models based on active accessibility. Denis Anson made a good point. If
push this type of technique, it means that user with disabilities will
need
to wait for AT developers to provide access to new implementations of
DOM.
More general techniques like active accessibility, offer improved
timeliness to new releases of user agents.
Rich Schwerdtfeger
Lead Architect, IBM Special Needs Systems
EMail/web: schwer@us.ibm.com http://www.austin.ibm.com/sns/rich.htm
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I -
I took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference.",
Frost
Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org> on 02/08/99 01:39:46 PM
To: Jon Gunderson <jongund@staff.uiuc.edu>
cc: w3c-wai-ua@w3.org (bcc: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Assistive Technology Checkpoints in the Guidelines
As a preliminary comment, most of these things are covered under the
general principle 'provide device-independent access to all functionality
of the user agent' (which seems a lot like the current checkpoint 3.1.1)
The difference is that this proposal is splitting out particular functions
and requiring them (of particular browsers, in the current incarnation).
The issue of whether to implement the w3c recommendation for DOM is
separate.
Charles McCathieNevile
On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Jon Gunderson wrote:
Based on feedback from the group I think our current checkpoints related
to
assistive technology compatibility need to be reconsidered for the
following reasons:
1. The current techniques for comaptibility read more like techniques
than
statements of assistive technology needs.
2. DOM can only be considered as part of a solution for Desktop user
agents
for the following reasons:
a. DOM does not provide any information or the emulation of controls for
the other parts of the user interface (i.e. controls, menus, staus lines,
dialpg boxes). This information needs to come from a non-DOM source.
DOM
will never provide information or control about these parts of the user
interface.
b. DOM does not have a defined interoperable interface for use by
external
programs. Some group members say this is not a major issue (including
myself at times), but it is potentially a weak link if user agents
running
on the same plateform use different methods to expose DOM. Assistive
technology would then need to "know" where to look. Also DOM does not
have
any conventions for more simultaneous access to the DOM.
How would DOM resolve manipulation requests from both the user agent and
the assistive technology?
How would the user agent tell the AT that it changed something?
c. The use of DOM would require Assistive Technolgy to sub class the user
agent as a special technology and some assistive technology companies may
find this requirement to restraining as the primary mechanism for
accessibility, escpecially on MS-Windows plateforms that have
accessibility
models based on active accessibility. Denis Anson made a good point. If
push this type of technique, it means that user with disabilities will
need
to wait for AT developers to provide access to new implementations of
DOM.
More general techniques like active accessibility, offer improved
timeliness to new releases of user agents.
So I would like to suggest five checkpoints for people to think about,
criticize, modify and/or comment:
** The following checkpoints ae based on the assistive technologies point
of view **
Checkpoint 6.2.1 [Priority 1} Allow assistive technology to access
information about the current user interface controls (windows, menus,
toolbars, status bars, dialog boxes).
Primary techniques: Accessibility APIs or use of operating system
standard
controls.
Checkpoint 6.2.2 [Priority 1} Allow assistive technology to simulate the
selection and activation of user interface and document controls
(windows,
menus, toolbars, status bars, dialog boxes).
Primary techniques: Accessibility APIs or use of operating system
standard
controls.
Checkpoint 6.2.3 [Priority 1] Allow assistive technologies to access
information about the current information being rendered by the user
agent.
Primary techniques: Accessibility APIs that provide information on
document
rendering and/or DOM.
Checkpoint 6.2.4 [Priority 1] Allow accessibility features (accessibility
flags and interfaces. ) of the operating system to provide alternative
rendering information and user interfaces for the user agent.
Checkpoint 6.2.5 [Priority 2] Allow assistive technology to change the
rendering of document information on the user agent.
Rationale: In some cases it maybe useful for the assistive technology to
change the rendering of a document. For example for a person with
certain
types of visual learning disabilities it maybe important to simplify the
rendering of the document and allow the person to use the mouse to point
at
objects and have the contents of the object spoken to them. It could
also
be used for table linearization if the assistive technology felt that was
the best way for them to provide access to table information.
Jon Gunderson, Ph.D., ATP
Coordinator of Assistive Communication and Information Technology
Division of Rehabilitation - Education Services
University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
1207 S. Oak Street
Champaign, IL 61820
Voice: 217-244-5870
Fax: 217-333-0248
E-mail: jongund@uiuc.edu
WWW: http://www.staff.uiuc.edu/~jongund
http://www.als.uiuc.edu/InfoTechAccess
--Charles McCathieNevile mailto:charles@w3.org
phone: +1 617 258 0992 http://purl.oclc.org/net/charles
W3C Web Accessibility Initiative http://www.w3.org/WAI
MIT/LCS - 545 Technology sq., Cambridge MA, 02139, USA
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