Re: role="list", Safari and VoiceOver

Hi Peter, Bernat, and all,

Thanks for this insightful discussion — it's been very helpful to read
everyone's testing results and experiences.

I completely agree with the point that *user experience and accessibility
should take precedence over theoretical markup purity*, especially when
browser-specific behaviors (like Safari's historical handling of list
semantics) can impact real users. It’s reassuring to see that newer
versions of Safari seem to have improved this behavior, but until support
is consistent across environments, adding role="list" where needed remains
a practical and user-first solution, even if it triggers validator warnings..

At the end of the day, *prioritizing accessibility over validation warnings*
aligns with the core principle of "users over authors over implementers
over specifiers." And as John mentioned, there’s precedence for using ARIA
in ways that improve the experience even if it wasn't fully embraced by
validators initially.

Thanks again for everyone's testing and thoughtful contributions.
By the way, I recently shared a post on improving accessible design
practices at my organization <https://www.salesso.com> as well

Best regards,

Navin Gurnani