Re: Hawaiian Diacritics

FYI - another benefit of language tagging in Word and HTML is that you can also apply styles by language.

For instance, if a publication wanted to do special formatting of the Hawaiian words, you can create styles that target the words/passages with the lang="haw" attribute. Styles can also help you spot which passages do or do not have the proper tags.

https://sites.psu.edu/symbolcodes/web/css/#lang (CSS/HTML)

Hope this helps.

Best
Elizabeth

On May 10, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Pyatt, Elizabeth J <ejp10@psu.edu<mailto:ejp10@psu.edu>> wrote:

I think until a Hawaiian TTS voice engine is developed, your assessment is correct that pronunciation won't be accurate. Are you aware of any speech technologists developing that? It's a gap in some languages. Is there someone in your linguistics department who would have any information?

FWIW - I usually use something like <p lang="haw"> or <em lang="haw"> (if the word is italicized). This is the recommended way to add language tags. The screen reader either supports it or it doesn't.

But even if a language is not supported now, I bet it could be in the future. So adding tags is not a bad idea and it will make the document WCAG compliant.

Hope this helps.
Elizabeth

P.S. This is the language technology portal for Welsh. It represents a model of minority language technology support.
http://techiaith.cymru/speech/text-to-speech/?lang=en<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftechiaith.cymru%2Fspeech%2Ftext-to-speech%2F%3Flang%3Den&data=05%7C01%7Cejp10%40psu.edu%7C74480bb4d3994550c0b008da32c43247%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e%7C0%7C0%7C637878115498345568%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=fg6rm%2FHsx0ptmHYlNgWdW0MBXq%2FBSdgIAJv4Pei4XH0%3D&reserved=0>



On May 10, 2022, at 3:34 PM, Ryan McCalla <rmccalla@hawaii.edu<mailto:rmccalla@hawaii.edu>> wrote:

Thanks to all who already provided input on this discussion.

So, is it necessary to code each word with aria-labels and the proper escape sequence for each Hawaiian letter, even though screen readers will never pronounce the words correctly? This seems like it would be a difficult task for pages with more than a few Hawaiian words, especially for content creators.

Would inserting a <lang=”haw”> before each word/paragraph be enough? Is that even necessary?

If the Hawaiian content is not marked up at all, is it still ADA compliant even though screen readers can’t pronounce the words properly?

Thanks,

-Ryan M.

From: Ryan McCalla <rmccalla@hawaii.edu<mailto:rmccalla@hawaii.edu>>
Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 9:50 AM
To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Subject: Hawaiian Diacritics

Hello,

What are the best practices around accessibility and mixed language web content? I know screen readers do not pronounce Hawaiian words correctly. However, my team at the University of Hawai‘i is trying to compile best practices and recommendations with regards to the use of Hawaiian language in digital media. Our Communications Office has put together some recommendations<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hawaii.edu%2Foffices%2Fcommunications%2Fstandards%2Fhawaiian-language-considerations%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cejp10%40psu.edu%7C74480bb4d3994550c0b008da32c43247%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e%7C0%7C0%7C637878115498345568%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=jqU5lx6jBj4yPslKaTOX6ce2ectF3d65aReHi026dEo%3D&reserved=0>. I think we just want to verify that these are indeed the best practices for making the Hawaiian language accessible on the web.

We appreciate any input on this issue.

Thanks,

Ryan McCalla (he/him/his)
IT Specialist, Client Service and Operations Center
Information Technology Services
University of Hawai‘i
rmccalla@hawaii.edu<mailto:rmccalla@hawaii.edu> | 808-956-2170

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