RE: requirements to test with Jaws in different organizations

Isn’t the purpose of standards (WCAG, PDF/UA, EPUB) to make ICT available to all technologies?

Everyone in the food chain is supposed to understand and adhere to them:

*  Content creators.

*  Authoring software (like MS Word, Adobe InDesign, HTML coding, scripts, etc.).

*  Assistive technologies…all of them, not just screen readers.

*  The end user using the A T.

 

If we all build to the standards, the ICT should be available to everyone, regardless of which A T the end user uses.

 

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From: ALAN SMITH <alands289@gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, July 5, 2021 9:55 PM
To: Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net>; bryan rasmussen <rasmussen.bryan@gmail.com>
Cc: WAI Interest Group <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Subject: RE: requirements to test with Jaws in different organizations

 

I would love to understand your issue better.

That may help us all understand your assumptions and assertions which seem to be generalizations and may be fortifying discriminatingly to all those who have spent thousands of hours and years of hard work, late nights and long hours making sure that websites and mobile apps are complying with the WCAG guidelines to the best of our knowledge, experience and many with interactions with many disabled individuals and may even have some of those disables our selves.

I don’t understand what you mean by “mandating a screen reader, 

also makes the software speech included in tools like jaws physically 

harmful,”

 

and

“that I need to fit their definition of disability to get access..even if doing so could 

result in my hospitalization.”

 

And

“the practice of one tool fits all testing stopped.”

 

And

“You are teaching the companies for which you work how to discriminate, 

even if not especially when you claim a majority using your tools.

After all, using majority as a measure still fortifies discrimination on 

large scales world wide.”

 

Alan Smith

 

From: Karen Lewellen <mailto:klewellen@shellworld.net> 
Sent: Monday, July 5, 2021 5:38 PM
To: bryan rasmussen <mailto:rasmussen.bryan@gmail.com> 
Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org <mailto:w3c-wai-ig@w3.org> 
Subject: Re: requirements to test with Jaws in different organizations

 

speaking personally,

My understanding is that wacg principles are to be browser agnostic, and 

are  rooted in interaction not tool.

As someone experiencing a disability that while mandating a screen reader, 

also makes the software speech included in tools like jaws physically 

harmful, it is frustrating  being told by well  meaning companies who 

themselves were told that Jaws testing was suitable, that I need to fit 

their definition of disability to get access..even if doing so could 

result in my hospitalization.

I respect your desire to make your job easier, but  given no single 

person's tools apply to another person's body, my own included, I would 

truly appreciate it if the practice of one tool fits all testing stopped.

You are teaching the companies for which you work how to discriminate, 

even if not especially when you claim a majority using your tools.

After all, using majority as a measure still fortifies discrimination on 

large scales world wide.

Speaking personally, of course.

Karen

 

 

 

On Mon, 5 Jul 2021, bryan rasmussen wrote:

 

> Hi,

> 

> This might be slightly off for the list, but don't know where else to

> ask that would be good. So I am working on a project for an online

> education platform that wants to move into the U.S market.

> 

> The platform would like to limit testing at least part of the

> development process to nvda and voiceover, to decrease costs /

> workload, I personally would like to test with -Jaws all the time but

> often one can't for various reasons. So does anyone have a pattern for

> how they do periodic testing with Jaws in such a way as to decrease

> workload). And more importantly if anyone knows of any organizational

> / governmental regulations requiring testing with Jaws that would

> affect the educational market in the U.S?

> 

> Thanks,

> Bryan Rasmussen

> 

>