Re: Reflow persona "What's New WCAG 2.1"

I'm sure it could be argued whether 99% of these pop-ups are actually
needed at all, let alone "important", but that's a different discussion :)

Where I think it gets problematic, is what is a poorly designed site, vs
what is bad browser implementation.  In my case particularly, where I
notice it, is that the experience is often very poor when the PC's DPI is
set above 100%.  I'm not actually sure whether that is the fault of the
site, the browser, or the operating system itself.

While I do use a higher DPI because of my eyesight, I also have a 32"
monitor, at Windows 10 at 2640x1440 is miniscule for someone with normal
sight at that resolution.

Take that Daily Mail website I mentioned (dailymail.co.uk) - I have to zoom
out to about 75% to get the text to fit on the width of the screen (but
then it's smaller than I'd ideally like).  But once I zoom in much over
100%, I can't get to the "close" button on the video advertisement, let
alone that the masthead takes up most of the screen anyway, and then once I
scroll down past the first ad, it jumps up and takes over the full screen
and there's no way of closing it (again, I assume it is lost somewhere
offscreen).

So I can't even get to being annoyed by the lack of reflowing text, because
I just can't get that far into the page.  But is that purely bad coding by
the website (and does WCAG cover this?) or could it be argued that the
browser should have ensured the controls (to close popups etc) were all
visible?



Now, is that all the fault of the Daily Mail, or the browser?  It works
marginally better on Firefox than Chrome, though it's a poor experience
either way.  I guess my biggest gripe is not just that the pop-ups are
annoying - in fairness everyone is lumbered with those, but the fact that I
have no way of getting to the close button for them (which has got off
track somewhat from the original reflow issue

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 11:38 PM Subramanian, Poornima (PCL) <
psubramanian@hagroup.com> wrote:

> So, one of the potential solution could be having the ‘close’ option (to
> exit) those pop-ups / overlays e.g. ads, cookies, chat will pass this SC
> Reflow? As sometimes these overlays become important to display on the site
> and let the users close it when it is not needed for them. Your thoughts?
>
>
>
> Thank you
>
>
>
> *From:* Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 17, 2020 8:43 PM
> *To:* Wayne Dick <wayneedick@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* W3C WAI ig <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Re: Reflow persona "What's New WCAG 2.1"
>
>
>
> This is good, it's a common problem.  I'm also taking it to mean that all
> those websites which have ads which take up 50% of the browser's viewable
> area and a cookie warning which takes up another 45% automatically fail.
> And it's even worse when you have the browser's zoom or Windows DPI set
> higher than 100%.  I was just trying to read an article on the Daily Mail
> website, and it's appalling - I can't even scroll right because the text
> doesn't go past the right side of the screen, it's just that the video ad
> is on top of the right 40% of it (and the newspaper banner takes up about
> the top 60% of the screen.  I could read the left half of three lines and I
> didn't bother, I just closed it.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 9:54 AM Wayne Dick <wayneedick@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Please consider the following.
>
> "It's nearly impossible to read text if I have to scroll right and left to
> read each line. It's disorienting and I lose my place. It makes it hard to
> understand what I'm reading."
>
> ADD
>
> "I have to scroll 50 to 100 times to read one page."
>
>
>
> The gross amount of scrolling is overwhelming. This was the one SC that
> got 100% support from the LVTF.
>
>
>
> Best, Wayne
>
>
>
>
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