RE: Short Survey for CSUN

Hi Steve,
My understanding is that JavaScript is a compliant technology, so long as 
it works from the keyboard.
Perhaps your comment that it was done in a stupid fashion  illustrates 
that point.
You referenced in browsers, and reference with Jaws, adaptive technology 
that i cannot physically use..which sort of illustrates my understanding 
that design is not about tool, but interaction.
I am now interested in how the standard of readily available or free works 
here, since each person is working with the specifics of  their physical 
situation to accommodate.
therefore, the only that I personally see that such a theory works in 
practice  is if one assumes that  tools work the same for everyone 
sharing a label  which is clearly not the case.
Even in JavaScript friendly browsers like elinks, with JavaScript  turned 
on, the button still does not work.
I understand from Google accessibility that JavaScript means their 
definition of JavaScript, which may or may not be functional..or 
especially privacy respectful either for that matter.
If the technique for that button is stupid as you say, and the 
implementation of JavaScript work from the keyboard, how is it compliant?
Like any language, JavaScript is not the same in all instances when used.
kare



On Mon, 17 Feb 2020, Steve Green wrote:

> Hi Karen,
>
> I don't understand what point you are making regarding voice synthesis. What is the relevance in respect to the button not working for you?
>
> JavaScript is an "accessibility supported technology" as defined in WCAG 2.1. The theory is that there is no reason why users should not be using accessibility supported technologies because they are widely available and free or inexpensive. Why do you choose to turn JavaScript off?
>
> The button works fine with JAWS screen reader and there is no reason why it would not work with other assistive or adaptive technologies as long as JavaScript is enabled.
>
> FWIW, it's stupid to code a button the way it has been done on that website, but it is still WCAG compliant.
>
> Steve
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net>
> Sent: 17 February 2020 20:31
> To: Steve Green <steve.green@testpartners.co.uk>
> Cc: Eric Eggert <ee@w3.org>; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: RE: Short Survey for CSUN
>
> Hi Steve,
>  That's wonderful to hear for you.
> still, what happened to the idea of realizing that not everyone sharing a label accommodates the same?
> The voice synthesis required for chrome and Firefox, stimulates the dizzy centres of my brain due to an auditory processing disorder.
> However,  like a well built  highway, I should still be able to reach the survey.
> Unfortunately though, as documented in one of their blog posts, Google feels anyone who chooses to work  for example without JavaScript is a crook, their word not mine.
> I am amazed  how often even those here, unintentionally I realize, forget that before you reach the browser, just as before you reach a building's front steps, there are fundamental  aspects.
> I wonder how that works for example with a voice browser, or an augmented keyboard?
> Kare
>
>
>
> On Mon, 17 Feb 2020, Steve Green wrote:
>
>> The Next button works for me in Chrome and Firefox, both with the Enter key and spacebar. The code looks ok too.
>>
>> What browser are you using?
>>
>> Steve Green
>> Managing Director
>> Test Partners Ltd
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net>
>> Sent: 17 February 2020 19:39
>> To: Eric Eggert <ee@w3.org>
>> Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
>> Subject: Re: Short Survey for CSUN
>>
>> ..take this survey how exactly?
>> The next button does not work from  my keyboard, although the other links
>> are   active.
>> Is the survey strictly for those who can click a mouse?
>> Cheers,
>> Karen
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 17 Feb 2020, Eric Eggert wrote:
>>
>>> Hello WAI-IG,
>>>
>>> Wilco Fiers (https://twitter.com/wilcofiers) and I
>>> (https://twitter.com/yatil) are preparing a (hopefully!) fun quiz
>>> session for CSUN this year (Thursday, 8am).
>>>
>>> You can help by filling out the following survey (25 one-word answers):
>>> https://forms.gle/PfVdUL4aPpK5tpjq8
>>>
>>> We will relate the answers to Accessibility in the EU – but you don’t
>>> need to be in Europe or know about accessibility here to answer!
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Wilco & Eric
>>>
>>>
>>
>