RE: Considering order: labels for checkboxes and radio buttons

Well, another screen reader user, but not using any  of the products 
referenced below..there are lots more after all.
At its most basic, a screen reader is a talking monitor.  therefore if you 
arrange items, labels and checkboxes alike in the most understandable order 
if read aloud, you serve everyone I feel speaking personally.
Of course you want things ordered together,  not labels interspersed with 
checkboxes, all of the latter managed as well with an entre key as with 
other types of interactions.
Best,
Kare


On Fri, 5 Jul 2019, Sean Murphy (seanmmur) wrote:

> My response is from a screen reader user point of view. Not a standards view. As standards are good, but user experience and expectation is more important. Consistency is key here by the way.
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> Jaws and NVDA announces the label first then the state. In Jaws you can change the behaviour from memory. This is a screen reader functionality. Do not recall if NVDA can do the same functionality.
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> I do not recall what the Mac Voiceover says as I do not use this on a daily bases.
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> From: Taliesin Smith <talilief@gmail.com>
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> Subject: Considering order: labels for checkboxes and radio buttons
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> Hi Folks,
> For blind access and accessibility does it matter if the HTML label element comes before or after its associated input element?
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> This seems like a really basic question, and I am not sure why I don’t actually have a solid answer for myself. Obvious for some control elements the label should, indeed come first, but for checkboxes, does it matter? Is there a preferred order?
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> Code sample:
> <label for=“my-checkbox”>My Accessible Checkbox</label> <input type=“checkbox” id=“my-checkbox” >
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> <input type=“checkbox” id=“my-checkbox” > <label for=“my-checkbox”>My Accessible Checkbox</label>
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> Taliesin
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