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Re: Assistive Technology Detection

From: Glenda Sims <glenda.sims@deque.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 08:54:36 -0600
Message-ID: <CAH2ngESBWpNqOU4C7jY=5gaKtsu89Uxf_y_SacZvJZbj56DsGQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: accessys@smart.net
Cc: Phill Jenkins <pjenkins@us.ibm.com>, Mark Weiler <mweiler@alumni.sfu.ca>, David Woolley <forums@david-woolley.me.uk>, "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Oh...I realized one of my sentences in my "soapbox" is inaccurate.  So...in
your heads...replace this sentence:

"ADA requirements are not based on statistics.  It only takes one user with
a disability to result in an ADA compliant."


with this one:

"An organizations risk of receiving a valid ADA complaint is not based on
the number of their current customers with a disability.  It only takes one
user  (customer, potential customer, employee, applicant) with a disability
to result in a valid ADA compliant."

Thanks to Phill for gently reminding me that there are a ton of statistics
(data) that went in to the crafting of the requirements.

Peace out,
G

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On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 9:49 PM, <accessys@smart.net> wrote:

>
> then remember that 70% of people with serious disabilities live below the
> poverty level which means many people are using older or outdated tech.
>
> Bob
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> On Thu, 25 Jan 2018, Phill Jenkins wrote:
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> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 21:38:31 -0600
>> From: Phill Jenkins <pjenkins@us.ibm.com>
>> To: Mark Weiler <mweiler@alumni.sfu.ca>
>> Cc: David Woolley <forums@david-woolley.me.uk>,
>>     "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
>> Subject: Re: Assistive Technology Detection
>> Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 03:39:14 +0000
>> Resent-From: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
>>
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>> | how can a site or app know
>> | what web content technologies to serve up
>> | that are accessibly supported
>> | without knowing the user agents and AT the user is using?
>>
>> My understanding is that for a site or app to claim conformance, the
>> claimant has to know or the claim has to state which accessibility
>> supported technologies were relied upon in the conformance testing, not in
>> what the user is using after the conformance testing is done.  Of course
>> what users actually use significantly influences what are the definitive
>> list of accessibility supported technologies.  There is no requirement to
>> "serve up that technology" to claim conformance.
>>
>> For example, if the operating system and browser platform support high
>> contrast technology, the claim can be made that the site or app conforms
>> (or still conforms) with all the WCAG Success Criteria when the user is
>> relying on those accessibility supported features in the operating system
>> and browser platform.  The site or app conformance would fail if the 1.3.1
>> Info and relationship success criteria fails because some labels or
>> headings "disappeared" when turning on the high contrast accessibility
>> features supported in the OS & Browser.
>> ___________
>> Regards,
>> Phill Jenkins
>> pjenkins@us.ibm.com
>> Senior Engineer & Accessibility Executive
>> IBM Research Accessibility
>> linkedin.com/in/philljenkins/
>>
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>>
>> From:   Mark Weiler <mweiler@alumni.sfu.ca>
>> To:     David Woolley <forums@david-woolley.me.uk>, "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org"
>> <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
>> Date:   01/25/2018 06:52 PM
>> Subject:        Re: Assistive Technology Detection
>>
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>> Related to AT detection is how can a site or app know what web content
>> technologies to serve up that are accessibly supported without knowing the
>> user agents and AT the user is using?
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>> Accessibility supported is a requirement for conformance.   And research
>> findings show differences in how browsers and ATs are supporting web
>> content technologies.
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>> On Thursday, January 25, 2018 7:08 PM, David Woolley
>> <forums@david-woolley.me.uk> wrote:
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>> The dangers I see are:
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>> 1) this will reinforce the idea that the only disabled people are those
>> that use JAWs.
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>> 2) it will probably have a similar effect to early mobile web sites,
>> which tended to be cleaner, and easier to use that the main web site.
>> That may mean that the main web site gets more difficult to use, and you
>> won't be able to do the equivalent of using wap instead of www.
>>
>> On 25/01/18 19:18, accessys@smart.net wrote:
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>>> counter to concept of accessibility, one should not need to identify
>>> and personally I would be ,opposed to it.
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