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RE: empty table code and screen reader

From: ALAN SMITH <alands289@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 14:06:07 -0500
Message-ID: <5a21a820.545c810a.c2277.c52b@mx.google.com>
To: Mohsen Mahjoobnia <mm14kl@student.ocadu.ca>
Cc: "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Mohsen,

Good, not always hiding the skip to content link. 

You are hearing the data table correctly. 

We must realize that blind users do know what a blank data cell sounds like that without announcing anything, it is blank. 
Sometimes we over do things and don’t consider the knowledge of our users.

Alan Smith

From: Mohsen Mahjoobnia
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 1:46 PM
To: ALAN SMITH
Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: Re: empty table code and screen reader

Thank you Alan, 

Yes we do have the focus for "“skip to content” and not always hidden. 

I was checking a page (just googled)  Accessible Data Tables <path: http://pauljadam.com/demos/data-tables.html#heading5 > and was also trying my NVDA, and found it confusing! when the cell is empty it reads: column heading, then…nothing

Am I doing something wrong or  over complicating it? 

Thanks again 

M

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 1:38 PM, ALAN SMITH <alands289@gmail.com> wrote:
Moshen,
 
Let me address one thing you said.
 
“Or be white-on-white font similar to the “skip to content” link?”
 
Why would you have white text for a link that all keyboard only users need to use?
You have a skip link that is inaccessible for visual users.
 
Never make it always hidden. You can make it hidden till it gets focus but not always hidden.
 
For table cells, either some text like N/A or Blank - visual or just announced - or just non-breaking spaces all work from my experience.
 
 
 
Alan Smith
 
From: Mohsen Mahjoobnia
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 1:12 PM
To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: empty table code and screen reader
 
Hello 
 
This might be a simple and repetitive question, but i'm trying to get a solid straight answer: 
 
When having empty data cells table, what is the best method? considering that our website is restricted and only HTML code via dropule. 
Should I use "Not Applicable" or non-breaking space <td>&nbsp;</td> ? any other solutions? 
 
or as my colleague suggested: What if we added the text “N/A” and set it to not be visible? Or be white-on-white font similar to the “skip to content” link?
 
Thank you in advance 
 
Cheers
 
M 
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