Re: Negative numbers

Jonathan Cohn sent me the following:

On 2 October 2017 at 15:56, Cohn, Jonathan <jcohn@air.org> wrote:

> I believe this is a current summary of the speech / oral modules in CSS.
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> https://css-tricks.com/lets-talk-speech-css/
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One of the features of the CSS is the speak-as property (
https://www.w3.org/TR/css3-speech/#speaking-props-speak-as) which provides
the following values:
normal | spell-out || digits || [ literal-punctuation | no-punctuation ]

Unfortunately I am not able to run any tests at present, but will try and
build a simple HTML page using the property:value pairs so that perhaps
others can.

Kindest regards
Harry

On 3 October 2017 at 05:37, Corey Collins <ccollins@usc.edu.au> wrote:

> − works for VoiceOver, NVDA and JAWS, no settings have been adjusted so
> should be default.
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> VoiceOver and NVDA both ignored hyphen, en dash and em dash. JAWS read all
> variations including minus, pretty sure I don’t have any punctuation
> feedback on as it ignored the colons.
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> <p>Minus symbol:</p>
>
> <p>−10</p>
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> <p>Hyphen symbol:</p>
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> <p>-dog</p>
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> <p>En dash symbol:</p>
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> <p>–dog</p>
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> <p>Em dash symbol:</p>
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> <p>—dog</p>
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> *From: *Adam Powell <adam@adaminfinitum.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, 3 October 2017 at 12:40 pm
> *To: *W3C WAI ig <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
> *Subject: *Re: Negative numbers
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> *Resent-Date: *Tuesday, 3 October 2017 at 12:40 pm
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> Hi All,
>
> The last message from Mr Loots got me thinking a bit and I wonder if it is
> a minus ( Unicode U-2212 )?
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> I have no idea how an assistive device would handle it but let me insert
> some here for testing:
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> −1  ( minus sign, unicode U+2212 )
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> -2   ( hypen-minus, unicode U+002D, this is the default from a normal
> keypress for me )
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> –3  ( en dash, unicode U+2013 )
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> ‑4   ( non-breaking hyphen, unicode U+2011 )
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> Do any of those read correctly (hopefully the first one)?
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> If not, maybe alt text or title attributes on an `abbr` or `span` wrapper
> around the character.
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> Hope that helps!
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>
> Adam Powell
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> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 2:40 AM, Harry Loots <harry.loots@ieee.org> wrote:
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> Is there anything in CSS or an attribute in HTML that could be  used to
> force the reading out of the (-) characters?
>
> Kind regards
>
> Harry
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> On 30 September 2017 at 02:20, Russ Weakley <russ@maxdesign.com.au> wrote:
>
> Hi Jospeh,
>
> If negative numbers are a concern just for you, then you can change your
> verbosity settings and set punctuation to "all"
>
> https://support.apple.com/en-au/guide/voiceover/hear-punctuation-mchlp2703
>
> Keep in mind, this will then read out a lot more information such as
> colons, full-stops etc, and you may find this becomes painful.
>
> If this is for an application for other users and you are worried about
> the following:
>
> - there are a fair amount of VoiceOver users who may be using the app
> - you are concerned that not all VoiceOver users will have their verbosity
> punctuation set to "all"
> - there are negative numbers that are important for these users to
> understand
>
> In circumstances like this, you may wish to use a work around (or hack). A
> simple solution is to use an aria-label:
>
> <span aria-label="minus 91">-91</span>
>
> You can see this in action here:
> https://jsfiddle.net/russmaxdesign/fhs8m6z1/
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> HTH
> Russ
>
>
>
> Quoting Joseph Yang <joesaiyang@gmail.com>:
>
> I'm having an issue with Voiceover not reading negative numbers. Apparently
> it is not reading the minus sign. Has anyone been able to find a work
> around for this? I've read that using parentheses was an option, but
> because I work in banking, I'm not sure if that will be a viable option for
> the stakeholders.
>
>
>
> Thanks
> Russ
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