- From: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
- Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 10:05:45 +0000
- To: "Michael A. Peters" <mpeters@domblogger.net>, "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Then how would you address the fact that different icons are used for switching closed captions/subtitles on and off based on locale, if you're using a Unicode code point and a font? Locale-specific fonts? On 06/09/2017, 10:54, "Michael A. Peters" <mpeters@domblogger.net> wrote: >Don't need to map to a different glyph based on locale. Plenty of >localization scripts exist for software. > >On 09/06/2017 02:47 AM, Nigel Megitt wrote: >> Do you know of any Unicode code points that map to different glyphs >> depending on territory, or any implementations that support that >> functionality? >> >> >> >> On 06/09/2017, 09:50, "Michael A. Peters" <mpeters@domblogger.net> >>wrote: >> >>> Actually that's a reason for it. You can't easily translate an image to >>> another language, but it would be relatively easy to swap a region >>> specific character to one more appropriate to the region of the user, >>> even if the webmaster has no knowledge. That's something the browsers >>> could do. >>> >>> What does the default cc button in html5 video players look like >>>outside >>> the US? >>> >>> On 09/06/2017 01:05 AM, Nigel Megitt wrote: >>>> Yes, a big reason: it is US-specific. >>>> >>>> On 5 Sep 2017, at 19:53, J. Albert Bowden <jalbertbowden@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:jalbertbowden@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Any reason why wikipedia's cc icon isn't good >>>>> enough? >>>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Closed_captioning_symbol.svg >>>>> >>>>> It's public domain... >>>>> Also, if you want to use the font icon, pretty sure they offer svg >>>>> version (if not the conversion is minimal), which you can simply use >>>>> in an <img />. >>>>> More info and canonical source for the cc icon >>>>> here: http://main.wgbh.org/wgbh/hire/symbols.html >>>>> >>>>> Just trying to help. >>>>> Albert >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Elizabeth Pyatt <ejp10@psu.edu >>>>> <mailto:ejp10@psu.edu>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Icon fonts can work if ARIA descriptions are added. This >>>>>basically >>>>> treats the character as an image and adds an ALT text option. >>>>> See >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>http://sites.psu.edu/gotunicode/2014/11/18/aria-for-screen-readers-not >>>>>-a >>>>> ble-to-read-symbols/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>><http://sites.psu.edu/gotunicode/2014/11/18/aria-for-screen-readers-no >>>>>t- >>>>> able-to-read-symbols/> >>>>> >>>>> As you might guess, you would want to be strategic in your use of >>>>> an icon font, this could be a case where the ARIA solution could >>>>> be useful (or you could use an image with ALT text). >>>>> >>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>> >>>>> Elizabeth >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > On Sep 5, 2017, at 11:32 AM, Patrick H. Lauke >>>>> <redux@splintered.co.uk <mailto:redux@splintered.co.uk>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > Noting that icon fonts have their own issues, particularly for >>>>> users who set custom fonts, among other things. See >>>>> https://cloudfour.com/thinks/seriously-dont-use-icon-fonts/ >>>>> <https://cloudfour.com/thinks/seriously-dont-use-icon-fonts/> and >>>>> https://speakerdeck.com/ninjanails/death-to-icon-fonts >>>>> <https://speakerdeck.com/ninjanails/death-to-icon-fonts> >>>>> > >>>>> > P >>>>> > >>>>> > On 05/09/2017 15:43, Andrew Kirkpatrick wrote: >>>>> >> It is available in Font Awesome >>>>>(http://fontawesome.io/icon/cc/ >>>>> <http://fontawesome.io/icon/cc/>) using the private use space in >>>>> Unicode© >>>>> >> Thanks, >>>>> >> AWK >>>>> >> Andrew Kirkpatrick >>>>> >> Group Product Manager, Accessibility >>>>> >> Adobe >>>>> >> akirkpat@adobe.com <mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com> >>>>> >> http://twitter.com/awkawk >>>>> >> On 9/5/17, 06:07, "Nigel Megitt" <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk >>>>> <mailto:nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>> wrote: >>>>> >>> This seems on the face of it problematic. The trouble is that >>>>> there is no >>>>> >>> single representation for the idea of "closed captions" >>>>> globally. Whereas >>>>> >>> in the US it might be represented by something like "CC", in >>>>> the UK where >>>>> >>> closed captions are known more usually as subtitles, it is >>>>> often >>>>> >>> represented by "S". I may be wrong about this but I don't >>>>> think Unicode >>>>> >>> would normally create a code point for a glyph that has >>>>> >>> territory/culture-specific variant forms. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Having said that, a globally usable label of some sort that >>>>> means "this is >>>>> >>> the button for switching closed captions on and off" could be >>>>> useful. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> On 03/09/2017, 22:33, "Michael A. Peters" >>>>> <mpeters@domblogger.net <mailto:mpeters@domblogger.net>> wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> According to >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wi >>>>>ki >>>>> >>>>>pedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFile%3AClosed_captioning_symbol.svg&data=02%7C01%7C >>>>>%7 >>>>> >>>>>C044b96f883e0476fbf5408d4f446d6c7%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7 >>>>>C0 >>>>> >>>>>%7C0%7C636402032489256383&sdata=um37Q5hz%2FuCfvJ67yslDrq5qF%2FPPwrRp77 >>>>>uZ >>>>> Txr7mwQ%3D&reserved=0 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>><https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.w >>>>>ik >>>>> >>>>>ipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFile%3AClosed_captioning_symbol.svg&data=02%7C01%7 >>>>>C% >>>>> >>>>>7C044b96f883e0476fbf5408d4f446d6c7%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1% >>>>>7C >>>>> >>>>>0%7C0%7C636402032489256383&sdata=um37Q5hz%2FuCfvJ67yslDrq5qF%2FPPwrRp7 >>>>>7u >>>>> ZTxr7mwQ%3D&reserved=0> >>>>> that >>>>> >>>> symbol has been released into the public domain. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> It would make sense then for there to be a unicode character >>>>> for it, in >>>>> >>>> the technical range (where play and fast forward and pause >>>>> glyphs exist) >>>>> >>>> but I could not find one. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> For me where it would be useful is when designing html5 >>>>> players, the >>>>> >>>> standard audio players in most browsers don't show the CC >>>>> button even >>>>> >>>> when there are track elements provided and custom JS to >>>>> display them. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> If it had a unicode character, I could modify my webfont to >>>>> include it >>>>> >>>> there and just specify the character glyph (in a span with >>>>> title >>>>> >>>> attribute of course) like I do with the other player control >>>>> elements. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> I can suggest it to the unicode group but I wanted to make >>>>> sure it >>>>> >>>> doesn't already exist and I'm just not finding it, and also >>>>> if it >>>>> >>>> doesn't, hear any arguments as to why it might be a bad >>>>>idea. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > Patrick H. Lauke >>>>> > >>>>> > www.splintered.co.uk <http://www.splintered.co.uk> | >>>>> https://github.com/patrickhlauke >>>>><https://github.com/patrickhlauke> >>>>> > http://flickr.com/photos/redux/ >>>>> <http://flickr.com/photos/redux/> | http://redux.deviantart.com >>>>> > twitter: @patrick_h_lauke | skype: patrick_h_lauke >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>>> Elizabeth J. Pyatt, Ph.D. >>>>> Accessibility IT Consultant >>>>> Teaching and Learning with Technology >>>>> Penn State University >>>>> ejp10@psu.edu <mailto:ejp10@psu.edu>, (814) 865-0805 >>>>> <tel:%28814%29%20865-0805> or (814) 865-2030 >>>>> <tel:%28814%29%20865-2030> (Main Office) >>>>> >>>>> The 300 Building >>>>> 304 West College Avenue >>>>> University Park, PA 16801 >>>>> http://accessibility.psu.edu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> J. Albert Bowden II >>>>> >>>>> jalbertbowden@gmail.com <mailto:jalbertbowden@gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>> http://bowdenweb.com/ >>>>> >>> >>> >> >
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