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Re: Unicode character for CC symbol?

From: Michael A. Peters <mpeters@domblogger.net>
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 02:54:01 -0700
To: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>, "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Message-ID: <1fc04612-b53a-594a-a809-cfb0e0a4233d@domblogger.net>
Don't need to map to a different glyph based on locale. Plenty of 
localization scripts exist for software.

On 09/06/2017 02:47 AM, Nigel Megitt wrote:
> Do you know of any Unicode code points that map to different glyphs
> depending on territory, or any implementations that support that
> functionality?
>
>
>
> On 06/09/2017, 09:50, "Michael A. Peters" <mpeters@domblogger.net> wrote:
>
>> Actually that's a reason for it. You can't easily translate an image to
>> another language, but it would be relatively easy to swap a region
>> specific character to one more appropriate to the region of the user,
>> even if the webmaster has no knowledge. That's something the browsers
>> could do.
>>
>> What does the default cc button in html5 video players look like outside
>> the US?
>>
>> On 09/06/2017 01:05 AM, Nigel Megitt wrote:
>>> Yes, a big reason: it is US-specific.
>>>
>>> On 5 Sep 2017, at 19:53, J. Albert Bowden <jalbertbowden@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:jalbertbowden@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Any reason why wikipedia's cc icon isn't good
>>>> enough?
>>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Closed_captioning_symbol.svg
>>>>
>>>> It's public domain...
>>>> Also, if you want to use the font icon, pretty sure they offer svg
>>>> version (if not the conversion is minimal), which you can simply use
>>>> in an <img />.
>>>> More info and canonical source for the cc icon
>>>> here: http://main.wgbh.org/wgbh/hire/symbols.html
>>>>
>>>> Just trying to help.
>>>> Albert
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Elizabeth Pyatt <ejp10@psu.edu
>>>> <mailto:ejp10@psu.edu>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Icon fonts can work if ARIA descriptions are added. This basically
>>>>     treats the character as an image and adds an ALT text option.
>>>>     See
>>>>
>>>> http://sites.psu.edu/gotunicode/2014/11/18/aria-for-screen-readers-not-a
>>>> ble-to-read-symbols/
>>>>
>>>> <http://sites.psu.edu/gotunicode/2014/11/18/aria-for-screen-readers-not-
>>>> able-to-read-symbols/>
>>>>
>>>>     As you might guess, you would want to be strategic in your use of
>>>>     an icon font, this could be a case where the ARIA solution could
>>>>     be useful (or you could use an image with ALT text).
>>>>
>>>>     Hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>>     Elizabeth
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     > On Sep 5, 2017, at 11:32 AM, Patrick H. Lauke
>>>>     <redux@splintered.co.uk <mailto:redux@splintered.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>>     >
>>>>     > Noting that icon fonts have their own issues, particularly for
>>>>     users who set custom fonts, among other things. See
>>>>     https://cloudfour.com/thinks/seriously-dont-use-icon-fonts/
>>>>     <https://cloudfour.com/thinks/seriously-dont-use-icon-fonts/> and
>>>>     https://speakerdeck.com/ninjanails/death-to-icon-fonts
>>>>     <https://speakerdeck.com/ninjanails/death-to-icon-fonts>
>>>>     >
>>>>     > P
>>>>     >
>>>>     > On 05/09/2017 15:43, Andrew Kirkpatrick wrote:
>>>>     >> It is available in Font Awesome (http://fontawesome.io/icon/cc/
>>>>     <http://fontawesome.io/icon/cc/>) using the private use space in
>>>>     UnicodeŠ
>>>>     >> Thanks,
>>>>     >> AWK
>>>>     >> Andrew Kirkpatrick
>>>>     >> Group Product Manager, Accessibility
>>>>     >> Adobe
>>>>     >> akirkpat@adobe.com <mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com>
>>>>     >> http://twitter.com/awkawk
>>>>     >> On 9/5/17, 06:07, "Nigel Megitt" <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk
>>>>     <mailto:nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>>     >>> This seems on the face of it problematic. The trouble is that
>>>>     there is no
>>>>     >>> single representation for the idea of "closed captions"
>>>>     globally. Whereas
>>>>     >>> in the US it might be represented by something like "CC", in
>>>>     the UK where
>>>>     >>> closed captions are known more usually as subtitles, it is
>>>> often
>>>>     >>> represented by "S". I may be wrong about this but I don't
>>>>     think Unicode
>>>>     >>> would normally create a code point for a glyph that has
>>>>     >>> territory/culture-specific variant forms.
>>>>     >>>
>>>>     >>> Having said that, a globally usable label of some sort that
>>>>     means "this is
>>>>     >>> the button for switching closed captions on and off" could be
>>>>     useful.
>>>>     >>>
>>>>     >>>
>>>>     >>> On 03/09/2017, 22:33, "Michael A. Peters"
>>>>     <mpeters@domblogger.net <mailto:mpeters@domblogger.net>> wrote:
>>>>     >>>
>>>>     >>>> According to
>>>>     >>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wiki
>>>> pedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFile%3AClosed_captioning_symbol.svg&data=02%7C01%7C%7
>>>> C044b96f883e0476fbf5408d4f446d6c7%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0
>>>> %7C0%7C636402032489256383&sdata=um37Q5hz%2FuCfvJ67yslDrq5qF%2FPPwrRp77uZ
>>>> Txr7mwQ%3D&reserved=0
>>>>
>>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wik
>>>> ipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFile%3AClosed_captioning_symbol.svg&data=02%7C01%7C%
>>>> 7C044b96f883e0476fbf5408d4f446d6c7%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C
>>>> 0%7C0%7C636402032489256383&sdata=um37Q5hz%2FuCfvJ67yslDrq5qF%2FPPwrRp77u
>>>> ZTxr7mwQ%3D&reserved=0>
>>>>     that
>>>>     >>>> symbol has been released into the public domain.
>>>>     >>>>
>>>>     >>>> It would make sense then for there to be a unicode character
>>>>     for it, in
>>>>     >>>> the technical range (where play and fast forward and pause
>>>>     glyphs exist)
>>>>     >>>> but I could not find one.
>>>>     >>>>
>>>>     >>>> For me where it would be useful is when designing html5
>>>>     players, the
>>>>     >>>> standard audio players in most browsers don't show the CC
>>>>     button even
>>>>     >>>> when there are track elements provided and custom JS to
>>>>     display them.
>>>>     >>>>
>>>>     >>>> If it had a unicode character, I could modify my webfont to
>>>>     include it
>>>>     >>>> there and just specify the character glyph (in a span with
>>>> title
>>>>     >>>> attribute of course) like I do with the other player control
>>>>     elements.
>>>>     >>>>
>>>>     >>>> I can suggest it to the unicode group but I wanted to make
>>>>     sure it
>>>>     >>>> doesn't already exist and I'm just not finding it, and also
>>>> if it
>>>>     >>>> doesn't, hear any arguments as to why it might be a bad idea.
>>>>     >>>>
>>>>     >>>
>>>>     >>>
>>>>     >
>>>>     >
>>>>     > --
>>>>     > Patrick H. Lauke
>>>>     >
>>>>     > www.splintered.co.uk <http://www.splintered.co.uk> |
>>>>     https://github.com/patrickhlauke <https://github.com/patrickhlauke>
>>>>     > http://flickr.com/photos/redux/
>>>>     <http://flickr.com/photos/redux/> | http://redux.deviantart.com
>>>>     > twitter: @patrick_h_lauke | skype: patrick_h_lauke
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>>     Elizabeth J. Pyatt, Ph.D.
>>>>     Accessibility IT Consultant
>>>>     Teaching and Learning with Technology
>>>>     Penn State University
>>>>     ejp10@psu.edu <mailto:ejp10@psu.edu>, (814) 865-0805
>>>>     <tel:%28814%29%20865-0805> or (814) 865-2030
>>>>     <tel:%28814%29%20865-2030> (Main Office)
>>>>
>>>>     The 300 Building
>>>>     304 West College Avenue
>>>>     University Park, PA 16801
>>>>     http://accessibility.psu.edu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> J. Albert Bowden II
>>>>
>>>> jalbertbowden@gmail.com <mailto:jalbertbowden@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> http://bowdenweb.com/
>>>>
>>
>>
>
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