RE: non-landmark forms

  *   Therefore, it can be without an explicit ARIA form role attribute and it would still be a region or landmark form.

Alan, that’s not what I’ve been told by the ARIA working group at the W3C.  Perhaps someone from that group could step in here.  If all form elements without explicit ARIA role of form on a page were treated like landmarks it would add many extra not useful landmarks to many pages.   From what I understand a compromise was reached to only treat form elements like landmarks when an accessible name was applied or when a role was explicitly applied.

Jonathan

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Subject: RE: non-landmark forms

Please be aware that you can use an HTML <form> without an aria role=”form” and this area will still be a Form region which is also translated “landmark”.

Therefore, it can be without an explicit ARIA form role attribute and it would still be a region or landmark form.


Alan Smith

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Subject: RE: non-landmark forms


  *   In Tobias’s case using the form element without an explicit aria-labelledby attribute, or without an explicit aria form role attribute, would keep the form as a non-landmark form?

That is correct.

Jonathan

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From: Taliesin Smith [mailto:talilief@gmail.com]
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Subject: Re: non-landmark forms

Hi Léonie,

So just to be clear so that I understand, too.
In Tobias’s case using the form element without an explicit aria-labelledby attribute, or without an explicit aria form role attribute, would keep the form as a non-landmark form?

I was looking at the ARIA Landmark exmples<https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices-1.1/examples/landmarks/form.html> for ARIA Practices 1.1

Taliesin
On Aug 2, 2017, at 06:22, Léonie Watson <tink@tink.uk<mailto:tink@tink.uk>> wrote:

The form role only becomes a landmark when it's explicitly applied. Using the <form> element maps the form role implicitly, but does not turn every form into a landmark. I believe that's what you want in this situation.

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