- From: Glenda Sims <glenda.sims@deque.com>
- Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 11:40:32 -0600
- To: "McSorley, Jan" <jan.mcsorley@pearson.com>
- Cc: WAI Interest Group <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAH2ngETYDhM5O4GL99uMM4z3MvUuLxVNXxL6XahYL-6prBGBKA@mail.gmail.com>
Jan, Phill, et al I agree with Phill, in that skipping heading levels does not fail 1.3.1. I think it would be a wonderful addition to WCAG 2.1 or Silver. WCAG 2.0 is a minimum bar...it is not all best practices. There were reasons that skipped heading levels were not included in WCAG 2.0 SC 1.3.1. G glenda sims | team a11y lead | deque.com | 512.963.3773 *web for everyone. web on everything.* - w3 goals On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 11:18 AM, McSorley, Jan <jan.mcsorley@pearson.com> wrote: > With all due respect, I don't agree that skipping headings is "an equal > usability issue for everyone." I believe that it is much more > time-consuming, and potentially confusing, for a person without sight to > determine what is happening with heading structures that skip heading > levels than it is for a person with sight. > > I believe that heading structure for people who rely on the use of screen > reading technology means something more than people who are able to see > visual headings. People who can see the headings, don't rely on them for > navigation in the same way people without sight do. I think that it is > unfortunate that consensus could not be met to use best practice with > heading structure. It is certainly a fairness issue in assessment and I > believe that it has a much bigger impact on usability than people think it > does. > > > Jan McSorley > VP, Accessibility > Psychometrics and Testing Services > > 400 Center Ridge Drive, Suite E > Austin, TX 78753 > M - (512) 673-9569 > Twitter: @Jan_McSorley > Skype: jan.mcsorley > www.linkedin.com/in/janmcsorley > > Learn more at pearson.com > > [image: Pearson] > > *We put a man on the moon in the 1960's ... surely we can make information > technology fully accessible to people with disabilities. It can be done > ... it must be done ... it will be done!* > > On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Phill Jenkins <pjenkins@us.ibm.com> > wrote: > >> *1.3.1* >> <http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-WCAG20-20081211/#content-structure-separation-programmatic>*Info >> and Relationships:* Information, *structure* >> <https://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/content-structure-separation-programmatic.html#structuredef>, >> and *relationships* >> <https://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/content-structure-separation-programmatic.html#relationshipsdef>conveyed >> through *presentation* >> <https://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/content-structure-separation-programmatic.html#presentationdef>can >> be *programmatically determined* >> <https://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/content-structure-separation-programmatic.html#programmaticallydetermineddef> >> or are available in text. (Level A) >> >> 1. I do not believe skipping a heading level is an issue for assistive >> software users any more than it is for a non-assistive software user. In >> other words, it is an equal usability issue for everyone, but not a 1.3.1 >> success failure. >> >> 2. I agree that headings (H1-H6) should be used structurally as the HTML >> markup language semantics intended them to be used, but 1.3.1 does not >> require the use of headings, does not required that headings be used all >> the time in all content, nor that when heading are used that they be used >> sequentially, nor that there only be one and only one heading level 1 per >> page. >> >> 3. 1.3.1 doesn't require that presentation include structure, but that if >> and when it does present structure and relationships through presentation, >> that the same information is available through mark-up (or available in >> text). >> >> If we want to "add" a new success criteria that requires that if and when >> heading levels are used, that they be used sequentially, but we have to >> allow for many situations that are consistent with the intent of the HTML >> specification. For example: >> >> a. Page that is quoting a part of a page that doesn't include a heading >> level 1 should be allowed. In other words starting with a heading level 2 >> or 3. >> >> b. Heading level 2 can follow a heading 3 or 4 if it is going back up a >> level. For example: >> H1 >> H2 >> H3 >> H2 >> H3 >> H4 >> H2 >> >> c. Page that doesn't include any heading level 3's, but uses a >> consistent heading level 4 for all footers across a set of pages should be >> allowed. In other words, it is OK to skip a heading level on a page in >> some situations. >> >> So, with these examples we can begin to see why the working group could >> NOT reach consensus to ALWAYS require the use of headings, ALWAYS starting >> heading level 1 and NEVER skipping a heading level. >> ___________ >> Regards, >> Phill Jenkins >> pjenkins@us.ibm.com >> Senior Engineer & Accessibility Executive >> IBM Research Accessibility >> ibm.com/able <http://www.ibm.com/able> >> facebook.com/IBMAccessibility <http://www.facebook.com/IBMAccessibility> >> twitter.com/IBMAccess >> ageandability.com >> > >
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