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Re: Names for ARIA menu and menubar

From: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 11:00:09 -0400
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To: "Batusic, Mario" <mario.batusic@fabasoft.com>
CC: ALAN SMITH <alands289@gmail.com>, "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Thanks for the explanation... that is ambitious... and a lot of work
<smile>.

I actually quite like the home menu on your web site, with tab key
operating the upper row, and enter/spacebar to open the menu, meanwhile
mouse users get the menu on hover.

It's a little unorthodox, not to do the same thing on focus as on mouse
hover, but wait for the key activation instead, but I think it makes sense
in this situation. Perhaps some for the aria team would want to see the
arrow keys engaged, but I'm not sure in this situation it would make it
more accessible.

Anyway
I wrapped it in a <nav aria-label="service"> and it seems to work fine.

http://www.davidmacd.com/test/label-on-menu.html

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On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Batusic, Mario <mario.batusic@fabasoft.com>
wrote:

> Hi David,
>
>
>
> The whole app is a single-page web application, that means, we get the
> look and feel of a desktop GUI also for the blind users. They (better we,
> because I am also blind) can use the application similar as the Windows
> Explorer and can forget that we use a browser. Browser is here only kind of
> operating system.
>
>
>
> Ciao     Mario
>
>
>
> *Von:* David MacDonald [mailto:david100@sympatico.ca]
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 14. Juni 2016 15:22
> *An:* Batusic, Mario <mario.batusic@fabasoft.com>
> *Cc:* ALAN SMITH <alands289@gmail.com>; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> *Betreff:* Re: Names for ARIA menu and menubar
>
>
>
> Hey Mario
>
>
>
> Why is there an Application role on the <body> tag?
>
>
> Cheers,
> David MacDonald
>
>
>
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>
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> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Batusic, Mario <
> mario.batusic@fabasoft.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Alan,
>
>
>
> Here is a sample code—similar to what we use:
>
> -----Code-----
>
> <!DOCTYPE html>
>
> <html>
>
> <head>
>
> <meta charset="UTF-8">
>
> <title>Test</title>
>
> </head>
>
> <body role="application">
>
>   <div
>
>     role="menubar"
>
>     aria-label="Service">
>
>     <a
>
>       href=""
>
>       role="menuitem"
>
>       tabindex="0"> <img
>
>       lang="en"
>
>       alt="Home"
>
>       title="Home"
>
>       src="">
>
>     </a> <span
>
>       tabindex="0"
>
>       role="menuitem">Webbrowserstatus</span>&nbsp;<span
>
>       tabindex="0"
>
>       role="menuitem"
>
>       aria-haspopup="true">Benutzername </span>&nbsp; <span
>
>       tabindex="0"
>
>       role="menuitem"
>
>       aria-haspopup="true">Lokation</span> &nbsp; <span
>
>       tabindex="0"
>
>       role="menuitem"
>
>       lang="en">Support</span> &nbsp; <span
>
>       tabindex="0"
>
>       role="menuitem">Abmelden</span>
>
>   </div>
>
> </body>
>
> </html>
>
> -----Code end-----
>
>
>
> I have put tabindex=0 everywhere to make it easy for testing without any
> Javascript. Both JAWS and NVDA don’t speak the name of the Menu.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
> Ciao     Mario
>
>
>
> *Von:* ALAN SMITH [mailto:alands289@gmail.com]
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 14. Juni 2016 14:23
> *An:* Batusic, Mario <mario.batusic@fabasoft.com>; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> *Betreff:* RE: Names for ARIA menu and menubar
>
>
>
> Mario,
>
>
>
> We would have to look at the specific code as there are so many variables.
>
>
>
> Here are some things to remember when using aria labeling techniques..
>
>
>
> Aria-label overrides or takes precedence over other labels or span text
> used for labels.
>
> Aria-labelledby overrides or takes precedence over aria-label.
>
>
>
> So you may be seeing some of this behavior with your menus.
>
>
>
> Please send out a code snippet for review.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Alan
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Batusic, Mario <mario.batusic@fabasoft.com>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:40 AM
> *To: *w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> *Subject: *Names for ARIA menu and menubar
>
>
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
>
>
> I am perplex about Screen Readers treatment of ARIA menu and menubar names
> applied by aria-label on the corresponding element. Both JAWS and NVDA do
> not announce the menu name when focussing on menu items. We have in our
> product, that we implement as a single-page web app at the same time up to
> 3 menus and it is very important for the user to know in which widget is
> the item he/she focuses on.
>
>
>
> Does somebody know what is the reason the screen readers ignore the menu
> names? Or is it undisputed a bug? Thanks.
>
>
>
> Mario
>
>
>
> Mario Batusic
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