- From: Phill Jenkins <pjenkins@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 19:50:10 -0500
- To: WCAG <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
- Cc: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>, Chaals McCathie Nevile <chaals@yandex-team.ru>, David MacDonald <david@can-adapt.com>, John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>, Jutta Treviranus <jutta.treviranus@utoronto.ca>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>, Jutta Treviranus <jutta.trevira@gmail.com>
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> we must keep up with changes on the Web, if we don?t we pit Web accessibility requirements against innovation and functionality. Yes agree, isn't that the whole point of the thread? to keep up with changes in technology and update WCAG accordingly? > One powerful way to achieve agility ... is for policy, legislation, regulations and WAI WCAG to focus on authoring tool supports for accessibility. Yes agree the accessibility community should focus on ensuring policy, legialation, and regulation focus or add focus on ATAG. I'm defining " authoring tool supports for accessibility" as equivalent to conforming to ATAG. Having a policy that ensure an authroing tool conforms with ATAG is also dependent on WCAG since the tool's output has to conform with WCAG. The W3C WAI is not the accessibility community, but a part of it. Nothing is nor should have been stopping the accessibility community from encouraging policies that encourage conformance with ATAG (except perhaps the community itself focusing on WCAG at the expense of ATAG). As example, Facebook, Office, Docs, Blackboard, etc. should all be asked to comply with applicable ATAG Success Criteria. The same argument should be made for UAAG conformance by Firefox, Chrome, Safari, Edge, etc. I believe the browser has more to do with many of the WCAG Level AA and AAA requirements than the web application. > We don?t need to get everyone up to speed on changes, only technically literate developers that are responsible for authoring functions. Yes agree the accessibility community should put the renewed focus on conformance with ATAG and UAAG . It should be relatively easier to focus on the "technically literate developers", but it hasn't seen as much progress as WCAG conformance. Why? One reason may be because there are no incentives or rules requiring conformance. We seem to be in a position of "begging" for any slight improvements we can get. How many of your institutions, agencies, universities, corporations, etc. even have any policies that encourage or require conformance with ATAG and/or UAAG? We could start there and chain ourselves to the virtural bus. . . [this is a refernce to the early ADAPT movement that helped start ADA]. I recommend that the Essential Components of Web Accessibility [ https://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/components.php] needs another version specifically for policy makers. It needs to better explain the dependency on the three and why enforcing conformance to only on one of the 3 (WCAG) is ineffective. Having said all this, the WCAG working group still has to and needs to "keep up with changes on the web" exactly because ATAG and UAAG both reference and depend on WCAG. 1. I believe we still need "interpretations" of WCAG for new devices, for example, which of the Success Criteria should be applied to a smartwatch? all smart watches? 2. I believe we still need "interpretations" of WCAG for new technologies, for example, which of the Success Criteria should be adjusted or extended to address gestures? Should there be a gesture for all interaction options just like WCAG says there should be for keyboard? Why and why not? Ever try to use a browser based web app and do the equivalent of keyboard tab, arrow up and down, left and right, and open/close (expand/collapse) with gestures? I give up and go dust off my laptop or find a really good bluetooth keyboard for my device. Referring to the diagram posted on the wiki https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/WCAG_Next_Possible_Models/Model_5 my two examples above seem to fit in mostly with the 3 task forces of Cognitive, Mobile, and Low Vision. However, UAAG and ATAG need to be added to the diagram since many of the more effective and efficient solutions will in fact be in the browser and authoring tool, not the web content/app. The output of the 3 task forces need to also address changes to normative success criteria, understanding, and techniques for ATAG 2.1 and UAAG 2.1. Otherwise WAI is not following our own foundation on essential components and the larger accessibility community will have to endure the ripple effects we cause. Anyway, my 2 cents. ___________ Regards, Phill Jenkins, Senior Engineer & Business Development Executive IBM Research - IBM Accessibility ibm.com/able facebook.com/IBMAccessibility twitter.com/IBMAccess From: Jutta Treviranus <jutta.trevira@gmail.com> To: WCAG <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org> Cc: Jutta Treviranus <jutta.treviranus@utoronto.ca>, David MacDonald <david@can-adapt.com>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>, John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>, Chaals McCathie Nevile <chaals@yandex-team.ru> Date: 04/09/2016 07:35 AM Subject: Re: Straw man list for WCAG.NEXT, another proposal... Hi all, I want to re-emphasize another strategy... >> From: David MacDonald [mailto:david@can-adapt.com] > >> I *don't* think we should be saying we'll have 2 or 3 new versions of WCAG in the next 3 years... >> it is incredibly expensive and time consuming for stakeholders to update >> policy, legislation, and their web sites every year? David makes a good point, however, we must keep up with changes on the Web, if we don?t we pit Web accessibility requirements against innovation and functionality. If anyone requires innovation it is people who currently experience barriers to using the Web, especially people we didn?t consider in formulating the last two versions of WCAG. One powerful way to achieve agility without unsupportable ripple effects throughout the ecosystem is for policy, legislation, regulations and WAI WCAG to focus on authoring tool supports for accessibility. Regulators would require that authoring tools support accessible authoring and require employers to provide authoring tools that support accessible authoring. This reduces the load on public regulators, means that every Web author does not need to become technically literate in the specifics of accessible code, and requires compliance by a group that is also creating new functions so they think about accessibility at the time of innovation. This also reduces the barriers to responsive change in requirements. The change only needs to reach the developers of authoring tools (albeit authoring functions appear in many forms but fewer than there are Web authors). We don?t need to get everyone up to speed on changes, only technically literate developers that are responsible for authoring functions. The other issue this addresses is that authoring tools are currently a huge impediment to accessible authoring. Anyone motivated enough to try to make their Web content accessible has to fight with the tools and find tricks and hacks that are not part of the standard workflow. Regarding ripple effects, think about the impact of any function to support accessibility in a popular authoring tool such as Facebook, Word, or Blackboard ? countless authors who may have no idea about any of the technical details of WCAG will unconsciously comply as part of the natural workflow. Jutta Jutta Treviranus Director, Inclusive Design Research Centre OCAD University
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