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Re: Poor contrast on focus indicator: SC 2.4.7 failure?

From: Gregg Vanderheiden <gregg@raisingthefloor.org>
Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 21:37:31 -0500
Cc: Sailesh Panchang <sailesh.panchang@deque.com>, Wayne Dick <waynedick@knowbility.org>, IG - WAI Interest Group List list <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
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To: Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>
Ah
OK 

(Disabling CSS is not a good method for creating a visible indicator at any rate.  The default focus indicator is pretty faint). 	

Thanks Jonathan - agree 

gregg

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> On May 25, 2015, at 7:19 PM, Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com> wrote:
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> Ø  What did you have in mind with disabling CSS for a more visible focus indicator?
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> Gregg, Sailesh was the one who mentioned it – but my comment was meant to indicate that I would be opposed to requiring the user to disable CSS in order to make a site WCAG conformant.  That is some people might try to make claims of conformance for contrast by saying it can be met when you turn off CSS.
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> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 8:21 PM
> To: Jonathan Avila
> Cc: Sailesh Panchang; Wayne Dick; IG - WAI Interest Group List list
> Subject: Re: Poor contrast on focus indicator: SC 2.4.7 failure?
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> Disabling CSS?
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> First time I’ve heard of disabling CSS as a way to create a better focus indicator.   The default indicator is usually almost invisible.  I have only heard of using CSS to INCREASE the visibility of the focus cursor.   Unfortunately it isn’t that easy to do unless people are more technically adept.  
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> What did you have in mind with disabling CSS for a more visible focus indicator?
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> On May 24, 2015, at 6:09 PM, Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com <mailto:jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>> wrote:
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> So I do not think disabling CSS  to do away with poor contrast on the focus indicator will make it pass 2.4.7.
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> I hope we don't go down the path of saying that disabling CSS can help you allow you to meet success criteria.  While in theory this could work it relegates  people with low vision to use an interface that is visually not equal to that presented to people without disabilities all in the name of not wanting to use sufficient contrast.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sailesh Panchang [mailto:sailesh.panchang@deque.com <mailto:sailesh.panchang@deque.com>] 
> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 7:49 AM
> To: Wayne Dick
> Cc: WAI Interest Group
> Subject: Poor contrast on focus indicator: SC 2.4.7 failure?
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> Hello Wayne,
> SC 1.4.3 (AA)  applies to text and images of text and not to the visual focus indicator for links / other UI controls.
> Yet, poor contrast of the visual focus indicator too may make the focus indicator not "visible" or clearly discernible and cause a failure of SC 2.4.7 in my opinion.
> Do you agree / perceive poor contrast of the focus indicator as an SC
> 2.4.7 failure?
> By the way, disabling CSS may make the focus indicator visible for reasons not impacted by poor contrast too, yet SC 2.4.7 is on the books  at Level AA.
> So I do not think disabling CSS  to do away with poor contrast on the focus indicator will make it pass 2.4.7.
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> Thanks,
> Sailesh Panchang
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