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Re: role="presentation" [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]

From: Jesper Tverskov <jesper@tverskov.dk>
Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 17:59:28 +0200
Message-ID: <CAAuwN4EbRczzqPPEtubUGXMnqWrNCZuMc+_CgJNSkC7OmYdvwQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Sorry Steve but you only repeat the standard answer like another
bureaucrat. No bad feelings. We already know that we are talking about
a table for design, and that we in that case should use

I'm arguing that we have a corner case, where the design table pretty
much also live up to being a data table, and that the user of a screen
reader for that reason might get useful hints reported. If
role="presentation" is used absolutely nothing is reported except the

If the above is wrong, tell me why. I always accept a good argument.


On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Steve Faulkner
<faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 13 May 2015 at 16:16, Jesper Tverskov <jesper@tverskov.dk> wrote:
>> How to make the radio button align vertically in the middle when
>> extreme zoom, low resolution or a narrow view-port in the browser
>> window tilts the answer options of the multiple choice test, creating
>> linebreaks, word wrapping.
> because what you are describing is the use of tables for visual
> presentation/formatting purposes, which should not be done, but if it is use
> role=presentation:
>> Tables should not be used as layout aids. Historically, many Web authors
>> have tables in HTML as a way to control their page layout making it
>> difficult to extract tabular data from such documents. In particular, users
>> of accessibility tools, like screen readers, are likely to find it very
>> difficult to navigate pages with tables used for layout. If a table is to be
>> used for layout it must be marked with the attribute role="presentation" for
>> a user agent to properly represent the table to an assistive technology and
>> to properly convey the intent of the author to tools that wish to extract
>> tabular data from the document.
> http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/tabular-data.html#the-table-element
> --
> Regards
> SteveF
> HTML 5.1
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