- From: Phill Jenkins <pjenkins@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 15:58:20 -0500
- To: "John Foliot" <john@foliot.ca>
- Cc: ddikter@atia.org, info@accessibilityassociation.org, Rob.Sinclair@microsoft.com, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org, webaim-forum@list.webaim.org
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A few things to consider in this thread: 1. By-Laws vs Member benefits 2. Examples from other associations and consortiums 3. Examples of when if ever all the individual IAAP members would ever vote on anything 1. IAAP Member benefits include: Eligible to participate in committees and task forces http://www.accessibilityassociation.org/content.asp?contentid=153 I recommend including some level of "voting benefits" to the list of benefits, but scope it (limit the scope with example) as in vote on committees and task forces. And give some example of when if ever the general membership of the IAAP would ever vote on anything. 2. Use example from other associations, such as the W3C For example, consider a tiered approach, like at the W3C, where working groups are operated by chairs that try to reach consensus rather than voting all the time. See http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/policies.html#Votes and distinguish between if and when groups of members that get to vote and groups of members that don't vote - meaning the same members can vote and at other times the same members don't get to vote. So, although all members get to nominate and vote on who gets to be on the Advisory Committee, only members on the Advisory Committee get to vote on things the Advisory votes on [smile]. See the section describes general policies for W3C groups regarding participation, meeting requirements, and decision-making. These policies apply to participants in the following groups: Advisory Committee , Advisory Board, TAG, Working Groups, Interest Groups, and Coordination Groups. 3. Examples of when all the IAAP indivisual members would vote on something? I can't think of any. I've never heard of a vote of all individual members of the W3C (companies get to vote once in a while, but not individuals) , or IEEE members, or even the ACM members that I can remember. I do get to vote at the annual IBM Stockholder's meeting, based on the number of shares I have - but that is a business model, not a democracy government model of one citizen one vote. At the annual stockholders meeting the deck is stacked, but so is the vested interest. Even as a citizen I do not get to vote on everything - for example I do not get to vote at the Senate Committee meetings or the local Citiy Council meetings. I wouldn't expect IAAP members to get to vote on something like raising the membership fee - that's the job of the board and/or CEO and staff. OK, maybe, just maybe I could see IAAP having a popularity vote on a new logo competition or something like that. . . but if we're talking about a scenario where there is an IAAP committee or task force that can't reach consensus, and the chair has to call for a vote of the members participating, then should all the members participating get to vote, even if those members come from the same company, government, non-profit agency, country, or group of independent consultants? Yes, in my opinion becasue IAAP is not a consortium, but an association. In the W3C's process, the group of invited experts only gets one vote for their group. In IAAP every individual member pays a individual membership fee. The payment may come from either themselves or their employer pays for them, or via your tax dollars, or by scholarship - however it doesn't matter who or how its paid - its about whether the individual is a member or the organization is a member. Because the individual is the member (representing themselves, not the company, not the government agency, not the country they live in, not the non-profit, and not the group of independent consultants) each member gets a vote, if or when ever one is called. Which is what I think the by-law is saying. See W3C's guidance on 3.3.1. Managing Dissent http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/policies.html#managing-dissent ___________________________________________ Regards, Phill Jenkins,
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