- From: Phill Jenkins <pjenkins@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 15:58:20 -0500
- To: "John Foliot" <john@foliot.ca>
- Cc: ddikter@atia.org, info@accessibilityassociation.org, Rob.Sinclair@microsoft.com, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org, webaim-forum@list.webaim.org
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A few things to consider in this thread:
1. By-Laws vs Member benefits
2. Examples from other associations and consortiums
3. Examples of when if ever all the individual IAAP members would ever
vote on anything
1. IAAP Member benefits include:
Eligible to participate in committees and task forces
http://www.accessibilityassociation.org/content.asp?contentid=153
I recommend including some level of "voting benefits" to the list of
benefits, but scope it (limit the scope with example) as in vote on
committees and task forces. And give some example of when if ever the
general membership of the IAAP would ever vote on anything.
2. Use example from other associations, such as the W3C
For example, consider a tiered approach, like at the W3C, where working
groups are operated by chairs that try to reach consensus rather than
voting all the time.
See http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/policies.html#Votes
and distinguish between if and when groups of members that get to vote and
groups of members that don't vote - meaning the same members can vote and
at other times the same members don't get to vote. So, although all
members get to nominate and vote on who gets to be on the Advisory
Committee, only members on the Advisory Committee get to vote on things
the Advisory votes on [smile].
See the section describes general policies for W3C groups
regarding participation, meeting requirements, and decision-making. These
policies apply to participants in the following groups: Advisory Committee
, Advisory Board, TAG, Working Groups, Interest Groups, and Coordination
Groups.
3. Examples of when all the IAAP indivisual members would vote on
something?
I can't think of any. I've never heard of a vote of all individual members
of the W3C (companies get to vote once in a while, but not individuals) ,
or IEEE members, or even the ACM members that I can remember. I do get to
vote at the annual IBM Stockholder's meeting, based on the number of
shares I have - but that is a business model, not a democracy government
model of one citizen one vote. At the annual stockholders meeting the
deck is stacked, but so is the vested interest. Even as a citizen I do
not get to vote on everything - for example I do not get to vote at the
Senate Committee meetings or the local Citiy Council meetings. I wouldn't
expect IAAP members to get to vote on something like raising the
membership fee - that's the job of the board and/or CEO and staff. OK,
maybe, just maybe I could see IAAP having a popularity vote on a new logo
competition or something like that. . .
but
if we're talking about a scenario where there is an IAAP committee or task
force that can't reach consensus, and the chair has to call for a vote of
the members participating, then should all the members participating get
to vote, even if those members come from the same company, government,
non-profit agency, country, or group of independent consultants? Yes, in
my opinion becasue IAAP is not a consortium, but an association. In the
W3C's process, the group of invited experts only gets one vote for their
group. In IAAP every individual member pays a individual membership fee.
The payment may come from either themselves or their employer pays for
them, or via your tax dollars, or by scholarship - however it doesn't
matter who or how its paid - its about whether the individual is a member
or the organization is a member. Because the individual is the member
(representing themselves, not the company, not the government agency, not
the country they live in, not the non-profit, and not the group of
independent consultants) each member gets a vote, if or when ever one is
called. Which is what I think the by-law is saying.
See W3C's guidance on 3.3.1. Managing Dissent
http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/policies.html#managing-dissent
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Regards,
Phill Jenkins,
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