Re: Creating an accessible Table of Contents

uh huh.  what else free on open source will work with eMACspeak or similar

Bob

On Thu, 28 Feb 2013, Karl Groves wrote:

> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 17:38:22 -0800
> From: Karl Groves <karlgroves@gmail.com>
> To: "accessys@smart.net" <accessys@smart.net>
> Cc: "[utf-8] Ramón Corominas" <listas@ramoncorominas.com>,
>     Ginger Claassen <ginger.claassen@gmx.de>,
>     "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org list" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
> Subject: Re: Creating an accessible Table of Contents
> 
> Ugh not this again.
>
> Karl Groves
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> On Feb 28, 2013, at 4:31 PM, accessys@smart.net wrote:
>
>>
>> won't work at all on Linux/Lynx
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
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>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2013, [UTF-8] Ramón Corominas wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 23:02:36 +0100
>>> From: "[UTF-8] Ramón Corominas" <listas@ramoncorominas.com>
>>> To: Ginger Claassen <ginger.claassen@gmx.de>
>>> Cc: "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org list" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
>>> Subject: Re: Creating an accessible Table of Contents
>>> Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 22:03:08 +0000
>>> Resent-From: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
>>> Hi, Ginger and all,
>>>
>>> I am not talking about the possibility of just reading the text of a PDF document, but about the possibility to read it in an accessible way. I've prepared a simple example of an "accessible" PDF document to illustrate the issue. You can access it here (I apologise in advance if I missed something and it's not completely accessible):
>>>
>>> http://ramoncorominas.com/stellar_classification.pdf
>>>
>>> This document has a 2-level heading structure, 2 links, an image with alternative text, several lists and a data table. Now, using MacOS:
>>>
>>> - Can you navigate the PDF structure using the headings?
>>> - Can you obtain a list of links? Can you activate those links?
>>> - Can you read the alternative text of the image? Do you even know that there is an image?
>>> - Can you navigate through lists and list items? Do you even know that there are lists?
>>> - Can you navigate the table and understand its data? Do you even know that there is a table?
>>>
>>> If the answer is "yes", please tell me how you do it. I'm sincerely interested on that, since I've not being able to find a tool that reads the PDF accessibility tagging on MacOS.
>>>
>>> If the answer is "no", then I cannot say that PDF accessibility features are "accessibility supported", unless they are only available in a closed environment only Windows platforms are used.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ramón.
>>>
>>> Ginger wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for your input but you are quite wrong here. For blind MacOS users it is not necessary to spend any money on any kind of software in order to read a pdf document unless our Mac here in the office was magically equipped for us because they had a glass ball at Apple and knew that we are blind here. It is no problem at all to read those documents as long as they are readable i.e. are not composed out of graphics which would be the same for Windows users.
>>>> So, unless you ment something completely different which I did not understand you are wrong here.
>>>
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