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Re: Current suggestion for subheading isn't accessible

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 16:35:50 +0100
Message-ID: <CA+ri+VkON_pM0XjbWj1deD07jCXBBOFgJFLKv-SiC62+-TXy2A@mail.gmail.com>
To: Ian Yang <ian@invigoreight.com>
Cc: WAI Interest Group <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Hi Ian,

There still need to be an HTML element for subheading/subtitle,
> otherwise screen readers will never have a chance to know the
> subheading/subtitle.
>

since there is no defined subtitle role in accessibility APIs i suggest a
first step would be to see if there is interest in adding one.

probably a good place to start would be in ARIA you can suggest it on the
wai-xtech mailing list

 in the second example the album name is also on a new line (which is
>>  conveyed to screen reader users)
>>
>
Could you please explain that? Do you mean screen reader users get
> notified of line breaks in HTML code?
>

screen readers discern line breaks in text on the page, also some browsers
(e.g. firefox) indicate the semantics of an element with display:block
style as IA2 role=paragraph.




--

Regards

SteveF
HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>


On 7 May 2013 16:17, Ian Yang <ian@invigoreight.com> wrote:

> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Steve Faulkner
> <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Ian,
> >
> > there is no method to indicate a subheading/subtitle semantic via
> > accessibility APIs. There is no subheading/subtitle role.
> > The first example uses a  colon as a delimiter which is a common pattern
> for
> > indicating title/subtitle [1]
> >
> > the second example is of a title of an album again it uses a delimeter -
> the
> > first part of the title is the artists name the second part is the album
> > name
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> There still need to be an HTML element for subheading/subtitle,
> otherwise screen readers will never have a chance to know the
> subheading/subtitle.
>
> And using colon in HTML as the divider between heading and subheading
> is not a bulletproof method. When I inspect the HTML code, I may still
> regard the line as a single heading.
>
>
> > <h1>Ramones -
> > <span>Hey! Ho! Let's Go</span>
> > </h1>
> >
> > in the second example the album name is also on a new line (which is
> > conveyed to screen reader users)
>
> Could you please explain that? Do you mean screen reader users get
> notified of line breaks in HTML code?
>
>
> > what would you suggest needs to be added to convey the extra semantics
> you
> > say are missing?
> >
> >
> > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtitle_%28titling%29
> >
> > --
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > SteveF
> > HTML 5.1
>
> In order to convey the semantics of subheading/subtitles, we need a
> HTML element to do that.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Ian Yang
>
>
Received on Tuesday, 7 May 2013 15:37:00 UTC

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