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Re: longdesc requirements Re: alt tags for graphs

From: Sailesh Panchang <sailesh.panchang@deque.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 09:46:45 -0400
Message-ID: <CAJi9Cqp0vcNRSBu9vb6OpDemkO_K_mjKxu74m5yjZoZ+0ELfQg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>
Cc: Charles McCathie Nevile <chaals@yandex-team.ru>, "Frank M. Palinkas" <fmpalinkas@gmail.com>, David Woolley <forums@david-woolley.me.uk>, "Mattingly, F Darrell" <darrell.mattingly@uky.edu>, WAI Interest Group <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>, "Guettler, Karen M" <kmguet2@uky.edu>
Jonathan,

I cannot agree more with you and I too advance the same arguments in
support of longdesc , inadequate support for navigation by headings /
aria-landmarks for keyboard only users etc.
My last email pointed to the views of WCAG-WG that says users who need
plug-ins / extensions are expected to use them and that is the reason
on which they base  that technique H69 (navigation by headings) is
sufficient for meeting SC 2.4.1. And all the points you made in your
email support my contention  that H69 is not sufficient by itself.
So the assumption stated by WCAG-WG is unrealistic and not practical.
And that's the point I am making. Agree?
Reference my last email.
Thanks,
Sailesh




On 4/1/13, Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com> wrote:
> [Sailesh wrote] So I believe this implies users who do not employ  heavy
> duty AT (screen readers/magnifiers and such) are expected to install
> plugins / extensions for access to skip nav links, longdesc content, etc.
> What do you think?
>
> What plug-in can I install into Safari on my iPhone to access longdesc or
> alt?
>
> People can say all day -- browsers should support these items or just
> install a plugin, but let's be realistic.
> 1. Most browsers never implemented access to skip to main content,
> longdesc, etc.
> 2. IE was forced to remove access to alt on images via tooltips to be
> standards compliant
> 3. Many browser such as those on mobile device don't adequately support
> plug-ins
> 4. Installation of plug-ins slows down browsing and/or user agent loading
> 5 Installation of plug-ins requires locating and even knowing these exist.
>
>
> Jonathan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sailesh Panchang [mailto:sailesh.panchang@deque.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 11:14 PM
> To: Charles McCathie Nevile
> Cc: Frank M. Palinkas; David Woolley; Jonathan Avila; Mattingly, F
> Darrell; WAI Interest Group; Guettler, Karen M
> Subject: Re: longdesc requirements Re: alt tags for graphs
>
>>> I have no problem with programmatically associating long description
>>> or long description links with an image but it MUST be available to
>>> all user groups without having to install special plug-ins or run
>>> assistive technology to access or make user agents display
>>> information that others can access without such requirements.
>>
>> I agree that user agents that don't make longdesc available to all
>> users all the time are not doing as well as they should. Putting
>> requirements in
>>
>> specifications doesn't, by itself, change implementations. But I
>> welcome input on strengthening the requirements...
>
> Sailesh:
> Is this unrealistic ... especially the part about not requiring AT?
> Some folks require AT for computer access. Period.
> And AT is able to interpret Web page content   etc.
> But even users who ordinarily do not employ AT might be required to employ
> special purpose plugins / extensions as WCAG-WG opines with respect to
> sufficiency of H69 for skipping repetitive content blocks (SC 2.4.1):
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/2012Sep/0009.
> <startQuote>NOTE:  All of our techniques assume that people needing
> special user agents (including AT or special plug-ins) will get and be
> using that type user agent (eg screen reader, or plug-in that allows
> keyboard navigation of properly marked up content, etc)<endQuote>
>
> So I believe this implies users who do not employ  heavy duty AT (screen
> readers/magnifiers and such) are expected to instal plugins / extensions
> for access to skip nav links, longdesc content, etc.
> What do you think?
> Sailesh Panchang
> www.deque.com
>>
>
Received on Monday, 1 April 2013 13:47:15 UTC

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