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Re: Invisible elements for additional link text [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]

From: <deborah.kaplan@suberic.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:07:37 -0400 (EDT)
To: Harry Loots <harry.loots@ieee.org>
cc: Joe Chidzik <joe.chidzik@abilitynet.org.uk>, "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1209130940510.12606@suberic.net>
I was the person who sent the original e-mail mentioning
Dragon NaturallySpeaking, so to answer a few questions and clear
a couple of misconceptions:

1. On the test page I just created
(<http://suberic.net/~deborah.kaplan/foo.html>) and tested with
NaturallySpeaking 11.5 and Internet Explorer 9, Opera 12, and
Firefox 15, it was never as easy as these usual disambiguating
numbers next to the links. Internet Explorer insisted on the full
invisible name of the link being dictated -- even though that is
invisible to the screen -- and could not disambiguate between two
of these links which had identical text; it always choose the
first selection. Opera could hear the names of the links but
refused to select any of them, and Firefox was just thoroughly
confused. So for Dragon user to reach any of these links it would
be MORE difficult then it would be for them to reach a page that
didn't have the invisible text. Dictating the names of the links
would fail, and the Dragon user would have *no idea why*.

Yes, she could access the links by other means (voice tabbing or
voice mouse control, for example), but this would be after
repeatedly trying to dictate the name of the link.

I'm going to run more tests on this when I have more time,
because if this is accurate it is going to make me stop
recommending this technique for partial link text.

In any case, in my opinion, this fails 3.2, predictability.

2. I would hope that anyone who uses the tooltip solution
suggested earlier makes sure that tooltip is also activated on
tab as well as mouse over, otherwise we come back to a solution
which is broken for Dragon users.

Deborah Kaplan
accessibility team co-lead
dreamwidth Studios LLC
Received on Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:08:17 UTC

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