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Re: approval

From: <accessys@smart.net>
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:49:03 -0500 (EST)
To: David Hilbert Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net>
cc: Jim Tobias <tobias@inclusive.com>, "'Cain, Sally'" <sally.cain@rnib.org.uk>, "'G F Mueden'" <gfmueden@verizon.net>, "'Marc Haunschild'" <mh@zadi.de>, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.1202221043450.21831@cygnus.smart.net>

very true, I have done some work and have friends in Central America.  was 
helping a disabled group and they were still using an Apple II as their 
main and only computer.  (I later sent them a 486 machine but it was 
outdated too)  the other problem was their connection it was pretty rough 
and they had folks coming all day to use it, because it was the only one 
around.  They were text only not because they needed it but because that 
was all that was avaliable to this group of people with disabilities.

we have to be careful of overpowerful software that is unusable by what we 
might call obsolete hardware and software.  CSS all the way down has to be 
considered essential in anything we do.


On Wed, 22 Feb 2012, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:

> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:40:00 -0500
> From: David Hilbert Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net>
> To: Jim Tobias <tobias@inclusive.com>
> Cc: accessys@smart.net, "'Cain, Sally'" <sally.cain@rnib.org.uk>,
>     'G F Mueden' <gfmueden@verizon.net>, 'Marc Haunschild' <mh@zadi.de>,
>     w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: Re: approval
> Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 15:40:38 +0000
> Resent-From: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> do we need to reach out beyond the internet to other mediums to find folk who do not use the web because hey cannot get to it or can get to it but it is usless for them.  email is the same.  for the vast majority of people around the world, the internet is a black hole.
> On Feb 22, 2012, at 10:17 AM, Jim Tobias wrote:
> Bob wrote:
>> even one person left behind means our work is not finished.
> I'm already assuming our work will never be finished. As Lenny Bruce used to
> say, "If they ever fix all these social problems, I'll be in the
> unemployment line ... right behind J. Edgar Hoover and Mahatma Gandhi."
> What I'm talking about is the need to do some sensible triage, and this
> should proceed from a better understanding of how many people are being
> disadvantaged or excluded, to what extent, by which barriers, and why.
>> the problem with diminishing returns is it is rarely equitable.  the same
>> people seeem to be the ones left behind regularly.  so if you are in that
>> catagory then you will have a totally different opinion about where to
>> draw the line than someone who is regularly considered.
> I agree. To me, the ones who are always left behind are those who have
> nothing, and no easy path to getting something. It's not mostly about the
> cost, contrary to conventional wisdom. People underutilize all the free
> things out there, such as accessibility features in the products they
> already have. I'd just like us to give a little more thought to that
> situation, and what we can do about it. WAI has been totally great on
> outreach and education from the beginning, aimed at the supply side -- user
> agents, authoring tools, and content. But what if the demand side is a
> bigger problem?
> --
> Jonnie Appleseed
> With His
> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
> Touching The Internet
> Reducing Technology's disabilities
> One Byte At A Tie
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