- From: Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>
- Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:25:16 -0400
- To: Charles McCathieNevile <chaals@opera.com>, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org, Phil Evans <pae9@star.le.ac.uk>
Having labels on the right for radio buttons and checkboxes is very important to users of screen magnification software. Screen magnification will align the left edge of the magnified area before the checkmark and the text of the checkmark and radio button will often go past the edge of the magnified area on the right. When the label is on the left the checkmark would likely be out of view. This positioning is mentioned as an advisory technique under 1.3.1 and mentioned under G162 http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20101014/G162 So while it's not required it strongly benefits users with low vision. Sometimes it seems like the standards and their implementation focus primarily on certain disability groups and other user groups needs are not fully met. For example, guidance on not using color to convey meaning indicated that provide an off-screen alternative such as a title attribute or text positioned off-screen would meet the requirement although this information would be NOT obtainable for someone not using a screen reader who was colorblind. It similar to the old skip navigation idea where skip navigation links were just hidden for screen reader users but not available to other keyboard users who do not use screen readers. Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Charles McCathieNevile Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 3:33 AM To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org; Phil Evans Subject: Re: Question re: WCAG2.0, Requirement 3.3.2 Hi Phil, On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 09:01:11 +0200, Phil Evans <pae9@star.le.ac.uk> wrote: ... > "3.3.2 Labels or Instructions: Labels or instructions are provided when > content requires user input. (Level A) " > > This seems straightforward enough. However, following via the link "How > to meet 3.3.2" leads to the page: > http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20101014/H44 > > which includes the line, 'Note that the label is positioned after input > elements of type="checkbox" and type="radio".' > > It is not clear to me whether this is a *requirement* or not (although > the validator I am using assumes it is). That is, is the following part > of a form OK or not? The text is part of an old requirement (written when implementation of <label> wasn't very good) which called for *consistent* placement of labels in relation to controls, and suggested that the *common* pattern for checkboxes was to place text after them. While you should certainly ensure that you layout is consistent, I don't think you need to worry so much whether your labels are typically before or after the thing they are labeling (so long as they have proper markup they are likely to be useful in most modern software). IMHO, of course cheers Chaals -- Charles McCathieNevile Opera Software, Standards Group je parle français -- hablo español -- jeg lærer norsk http://my.opera.com/chaals Try Opera: http://www.opera.com
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