- From: Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo <coordina@sidar.org>
- Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:49:36 +0200
- To: "'W Reagan'" <wreagan1@yahoo.com>, <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>, "'Christophe Strobbe'" <christophe.strobbe@esat.kuleuven.be>
- Cc: "'Andrew Kirkpatrick'" <akirkpat@adobe.com>, "'Charles McCathieNevile'" <chaals@opera.com>
- Message-ID: <083f01ca16be$446e5840$cd4b08c0$@org>
Hi all, IMO, I think that If you relief in a browser with zoom you can’t test this adequately. [cite: http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/visual-audio-contrast-scale.html] The author cannot rely on the user agent to satisfy this Success Criterion for HTML content if users do not have access to a user agent with zoom support. For example, if they work in a environment that requires them to use IE 6 or Firefox. … If the user agent doesn't provide zoom functionality but does let the user change the text size, the author is responsible for ensuring that the content remains usable when the text is resized. … Content satisfies the Success Criterion if it can be scaled up to 200%, that is, up to twice the width and height. [end cite] Perhaps the confusion about the test is because the 2# speaks of "zoom" when it should speak about "resize". [cite: ] Procedure 1. Display content in a user agent 2. Zoom content to 200% 3. Check whether all content and functionality is available [end cite] So to check this point, I think it is worth to use the settings of browsers that provide the effect of zoom. What you should do is use the scaling of the text (And check that there are no such elements as defined in fixed units of measurement.) The reason is that the zoom effect can be generated on containers and text that are defined in fixed units of measurement. In contrast scaling only works on elements that are defined in relative units of measurement. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the point is mainly to review the authors have defined the correct text and container sizes of text, just so they can be well resized. Regards, Emmanuelle ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo Directora de la Fundación Sidar Coordinadora del Seminario SIDAR www.sidar.org email: coordina@sidar.org / emmanuelle@sidar.org De: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org] En nombre de W Reagan Enviado el: jueves, 06 de agosto de 2009 18:38 Para: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org; Christophe Strobbe CC: Andrew Kirkpatrick; Charles McCathieNevile Asunto: RE: Resize Text (1.4.4) It worked. The bug was in the higher version of Opera (9.6.4). Thanks Opera for giving me the link to version 9. Thanks. Now I know I passed. It was also good timing because when I visited the Opera site today, it mentioned a beta version of 10. This could have caused a failure. --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Christophe Strobbe <christophe.strobbe@esat.kuleuven.be> wrote: From: Christophe Strobbe <christophe.strobbe@esat.kuleuven.be> Subject: RE: Resize Text (1.4.4) To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 4:14 PM Hi, At 17:15 6/08/2009, W Reagan wrote: >The test at ><http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20081211/G142>http://www.w3.or g/TR/2008/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20081211/G142 >is to determine if the browser supports the website up to 200% > >Procedue: >1. Display content in a user agent >2. Zoom content up to 200% >3. Check whether all content and functionality is available. > > >Internet Explorer 7 and Opera 9 provide a zoom function that scales >HTML/CSS page content uniformly. > >This is why I troubleshooted my document with Opera. As I mentioned >before, the only version avaliable for Opera is 9.6.4. Statement # 3 >is true in Opera, but only up to 150%, Do you really mean that at a zoom level higher than 150% there are overlaps or other problems that obscure text and/or make functionality unusable? (Note that the guidelines do not require uniform zooming.) With regard to Firefox: it does not allow you to see the zoom level (unlike SeaMonkey) but there are a few add-ons that support this, for example the Firefox Accessibility Extension: <http://firefox.cita.uiuc.edu/>. Best regards, Christophe >Statement #3 is true in Internet Explorer 7 up to 200%. Do I pass or >fail resize text, or disregard the Opera test and use another test? > > >--- On Thu, 8/6/09, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com <http://us.mc1116.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=akirkpat@adobe.com> > wrote: > >From: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe..com <http://us.mc1116.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=akirkpat@adobe.com> > >Subject: RE: Resize Text (1.4.4) >To: "Charles McCathieNevile" <chaals@opera.com <http://us.mc1116.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=chaals@opera.com> >, "W Reagan" ><wreagan1@yahoo.com <http://us.mc1116.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wreagan1@yahoo.com> >, "w3c-wai-ig@w3..org <http://us.mc1116.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=w3c-wai-ig@w3..org> " <w3c-wai-ig@w3..org <http://us.mc1116.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=w3c-wai-ig@w3.org> > >Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 1:56 PM > >Opera will zoom the page up to 1000%, whatever you did. Internet explorer >will let you change text sizes to a few different sizes, if you use the >right units for text size. > >Hi Chaals - IE7 has the same type of zoom functionality that Opera >has, as well as the view menu text size option that we all have >grappled with selecting the right units to work with. > >AWK > -- Christophe Strobbe K.U.Leuven - Dept. of Electrical Engineering - SCD Research Group on Document Architectures Kasteelpark Arenberg 10 bus 2442 B-3001 Leuven-Heverlee BELGIUM tel: +32 16 32 85 51 http://www.docarch.be/ --- "Better products and services through end-user empowerment" http://www.usem-net.eu/ --- Please don't invite me to LinkedIn, Facebook, Quechup or other "social networks". You may have agreed to their "privacy policy", but I haven't.
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